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F1 Drivers in Switzerland

In Lewis Hamilton's page is stated that Fernando Alonso lives there too, but he moved to Spain in 2011

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fernando_Alonso#cite_note-14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.66.96 (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request: 2012

2012 was very much the year that could have been for Hamilton. He remained at McLaren alongside Button for the 2012 season, though doubts remained over whether we would re-sign for 2013 onwards. As testing began, it became clear that the McLaren was quick off the bat, a fact previous McLarens had not shared . The McLarens locked out the front row for the Australian Grand Prix confirming their speed with Hamilton on pole ahead of Button. Hamilton had an average start allowing Button to jump him before the first corner, and lost a place to Vettel after McLaren erroneously pitted him before a safety car. McLaren again locked up the front row for the Malaysian Grand Prix with Hamilton on pole, but he was passed by Fernando Alonso and Sergio Pérez after the re-start, finishing third. Hamilton qualified second in China, splitting the Mercedes of Rosberg and Schumacher, but poor pit strategy led to Hamilton's third consecutive third place finish, behind Rosberg and Button. Hamilton qualified in second place in Bahrain, but a series of poor pitstops put him out of contention, and he finished eighth. Hamilton was also involved in a controversial racing incident with Rosberg, with Rosberg appearing to push Hamilton off track while he attempted to overtake. The stewards deemed it a racing incident but issued a warning to the drivers.

Hamilton qualified on pole position for the Spanish Grand Prix, but had to stop the car on track in order for a reputable fuel sample to be given post-qualifying. After the race it was discovered that one of the McLaren mechanics under-fuelled the car accidentally. The stewards decided he had breached qualifying rules introduced after a similar incident involving Hamilton at the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix. Race stewards excluded him from the qualifying results, and demoted him to the back of the grid; but despite this, Hamilton finished eighth, ahead of Button, who had started in tenth. Tensions were starting to mount within the McLaren garage as they had clearly produced the fastest car, but poor strategy, pit stop errors, and poor reliability had left them with just one win. Hamilton qualified third for the Monaco Grand Prix, but slow pit stops dropped him down to fifth as Webber went on to win from Rosberg and Alonso. Hamilton had another pole in Canada, and achieved his first victory of the season there – winning the race for the third time – after overtaking Fernando Alonso and Sebastien Vettel in the closing stages. With the 25 points for victory, Hamilton was ahead of Alonso and Vettel in the championship by 2 points. But he wouldnt be there long. More grief followed Hamilton at the European Grand Prix. He qualified behind Vettel on the front row, but slow pit stops lost him a position to Alonso, and Madonado crashed into him on the penultimate lap forcing him to retire. The British Grand Prix saw McLaren struggling in the wet, with both McLarens struggling to find any pace and challenge for the lead. Webber went on to win from Alonso and Vettel, while Hamilton could only manage 8th place. The result meant that he fell to 4th in the championship, 37 points behind Alonso, after leading it just two rounds earlier. McLaren brought a much needed update to the German grand prix, and right away they were back on it. However, rain on Saturday meant that the McLarens were again struggling for pace and Hamilton qualified seventh. On Sunday, the track was dry and the McLarens mysteriously found their pace again, with Button hounding Alonso to the finish. Hamilton suffered a puncture in the early stages which dropped him to last and subsequently retired with gearbox damage.

Hamilton won the Hungarian Grand Prix in thrilling fashion holding off the Lotuses of Raikonnen and Grosjean to claim his second win of the season. Belgium saw McLaren return to dominance with Button storming to his first pole at McLaren and romping away to an easy victory. It was not without incident though as a tweet by Hamilton of his telemetry and the different setup Button had highlighted divisions within the camp. The tweet was quickly taken down and Hamilton apologized. Hamilton, along with championship leader Fernando Alonso, retired after being involved in a multiple car accident on the first corner of the race. Romain Grosjean was deemed responsible for causing the accident and was given a one-race ban. Hamilton bounced back with pole position for the Italian Grand Prix, and led for the majority of the race to claim his third victory of the season and keep his hopes of winning the Drivers' Championship alive.

Hamilton again qualified on pole at the Singapore Grand Prix, but suffered a gearbox failure whilst leading the race handing victory to Vettel. The Japanese Grand Prix saw more reliability woes for McLaren. Gearbox problems dogged much of Hamiton's race and he could only finish as high as fifth . The Korean Grand Prix was no better. A rear suspension failure early on meant that he was in damage control and unable to challenge for the lead and finished in tenth. The Indian Grand Prix saw McLaren slip further behind their rivals, with both McLarens unable to challenge the Red Bulls or even the Ferrari of Alonso. Hamilton ended the race in fourth. Abu Dhabi saw a return to form of McLaren with a much needed upgrade. Hamilton dominated every practice and qualifying session and started on pole. However, a fuel pump failure meant that he had to retire from the race while leading on lap 20. Hamilton was on the front row of the United States Grand Prix in Austin behind Vettel and overtook him on lap 42 to win the race. The season ended much as it started, with the McLarens the class of the field. Hamilton started on pole ahead of Button, but he retired when he was involved in a collision with Nico Hülkenberg while leading in the late stages of the race.

2012 was very much a season of what-ifs for Hamilton. For the first time in his career he had a car fast enough to challenge at the front. But reliability problems, pit stop errors, and operational errors cost him at least 3, possibly 4, wins. James Allen pointed out that a conservative estimate would have Hamilton's points loss at 110 points, the addition of which would have given him the championship or at least kept him in close contention until the very last round.

Not done: The proposed wording gives undue weight to this particular season. Some of this content might be appropriate, but not all of it. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 04:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 February 2013

Hamilton beat Sebastian Vettel's time on Top Gear on February 17, 2013 with a time of 1:42.8. This should well include that. FASTEST DRIVER IN TOPGEAR HISTORY! 69.204.124.189 (talk) 00:59, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

 Not done There is no mention of his appearance on Top Gear in the article, so this will not be included. Camyoung54 talk 14:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Driving Style

I'd like to see the "according to who" line removed from the bit about his preference for oversteer in the driving style portion and replaced with this URL as the citation.

http://en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/driver/1251.html

This is an excerpt from his ESPN profile which substantiates his preference for oversteer:

Strengths and Weaknesses Hamilton's driving style has always ensured he stands out from the crowd, with the confidence to attempt overtaking manoeuvres his rivals wouldn't even consider. His preference for a car set up to oversteer shows off his lightning reactions, but his desire to win every race can often backfire when he crashes out trying to gain a place rather than collecting safe points.

He has stated so in interviews, I am currently trying to find an interview which can be used an additional citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Athies22 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 June 2013

Please correct the 2013 season results in table of "complete formula 1 results" -- the 2013 British GP prix has not happened yet! 70.176.128.235 (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Fixed, thank you :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:04, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Lewis/Sutil and the nightclub in Shanghai

I noticed the lack of mention both here on lewis's wiki and Adrian's. but Lewis was with Adrian the night he found himself in hot water in Shanghai. TYhe two were apparently good friends for quite a while. Lewis refused to testify on behalf of Sutil during the trial, which destroyed the friendship between the two drivers. If some mention is made related to this, it would be a question as to whether or not to glom it on to the racing year in question, or create a separate section outside of racing results or somehow glom in on to some of the personal life portions of the wiki. Whatzinaname (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 August 2013

Please change the name of Lewis Hamilton's aircraft to "Challenger 605" not Challenger 604. 216.113.24.1 (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. In the meantime, I have made the wording more general so that it's correct in either case. Rivertorch (talk) 08:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 August 2013

Please change 2013 WDC from "4th*" to "3rd*" because after the most recent race, Hamilton has advanced his standing in the World Driver's Championship.

Please change 2013 Points from "124*" to "139*" to account for Hamilton's WDC point increase at the most recent race.

Michael.P.Tokayer (talk) 20:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Y Done. DH85868993 (talk) 02:26, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 May 2014

There was an error made in adding up his carrer points. The 18 points of Monaco lead to 1220 not 10. ThX

Y Done. DH85868993 (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Change of Helmet

Starting in 2014, Lewis Hamilton has changed his helmet color from his famous yellow Ayrton Senna inspired helmet to something more of his own. It's kind of important that this gets changed because his helmet is a large part of his Formula One image. Straight from Lewis Hamilton himself: https://plus.google.com/+LewisHamilton/posts/DDVb26zA2z4

Nkurucz (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Language getting a bit peacocky.

There are a few peacocking words creeping in to the body of the article.

One paragraph I read had: dominance, dominate, a lot of bad luck (then mentions two things also - with no comparison to anything how do we know it is "a lot"?)

Another was "he suffered a fire"? Surely it was his car that suffered the fire, or the whole team.

Other drivers have suffered many more problems than he has, so in essence the problems may only be a "normal" amount, or maybe it is less than other drivers so it is really "a quite small amount of bad luck" ... Chaosdruid (talk) 18:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Toned it down a bit. Btljs (talk) 22:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Never good to start talking about luck. We should just state the facts and leave the reader to decide what was lucky or unlucky. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:26, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, although I suppose an argument can be made for a comparison between 2 supposedly identical cars if 1 consistently blows up and the other doesn't (it's luck from the drivers' pov if they have no control over which one they get). But I agree in general. Btljs (talk) 00:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Even then, "bad luck" has to be sourced. Many a driver has blown up cars while his teammate has not, simply because he's harder on his machinery than his teammate. Luck doesn't always come into it, however it may look. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Everything should be sourced - and that's the point: WP doesn't state facts, it cites reliable sources. I would go with something like "Hamilton's reliability problems have drawn comments on his bad luck from him, fellow drivers, and other commentators." There are really no shortage of sources about bad luck - I had a quick look to see if I could find anybody saying it wasn't down to luck (re. your point about driving styles) but couldn't. It is worth remembering that it's not a case of whether something is 'unlucky' in a universal sense but within the parameters of a very specific arena, viz. the competition between him and his teammate. You can be lucky (to have the best car) and still unlucky (for it not to be as reliable as the other). For balance you'd need a source about Rosberg's consistency and tactical driving, but not really in an article on Hamilton. Btljs (talk) 06:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2014

2.85.18.163 (talk) 20:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Nothing requested Btljs (talk) 21:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2014

Please change this statement "Hamilton was born on 7 January 1985 in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, England,[3] and was named after American sprinter Carl Lewis." as it is a misconception that he was named after Carl Lewis. Lewis Hamilton himself mentioned in an interview. When mentioned that he has been named after the famous spinter Carl Lewis he said "Well, thats not actually true.Yes its good to clear the air. Now lots of people think the same since my middle name is Carl. I got that from my Dad, My Dad's middle name is Carl and it just so happened that my mum chose to call me Lewis. So it Just was Lewis Carl and people started to relate me to Carl Lewis. I think I met him (Carl Lewis) when i was 10 years old and so people started to add 2 and 2 together and this came up"

Please refer the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftRtppQaY-A

Rishabh lp (talk) 11:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Good spot! I've reworded the paragraph. (I always thought it was true) Btljs (talk) 13:14, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

SPOTY 2014

Not sure where to add this in the article, but Lewis has won ]SPOTY 2014. Mjroots (talk) 22:42, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Link to Mercedes team profile

In the external links section, as there is a link to his Mclaren profile, should there not be a link to his Mercedes Profile either instead of or in addition to the Mclaren profile? Mercedes are at least as significant, probably more significant than Mclaren, as he has won titles with both teams but Mercedes is his current team as well. Fazzo29 (talk) 04:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 January 2015

In the 2009 section, the sentence "Hamilton scored minor points at the Malaysian, Chinese and Bahrain Grand Prixs." should surely read "Hamilton scored minor points at the Malaysian, Chinese and Bahrain Grands Prix.", should it not? 109.156.176.105 (talk) 09:24, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Y Yep. Done. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 10:03, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 August 2015

section on 2007. China. Wrong grammar . who gets stuck in the gravel trap: maclaren, bridgestone or LH?

Daiyounger (talk) 03:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Y Yes, it wasn't well written. Thanks for spotting it. Btljs (talk) 07:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Importance

Shouldn't this article importance be changed to Top-Importance? As Hamilton is now a Multiple world champion. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Certainly for WP:F1 per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Formula_One/Assessment. So I have changed updated the importance for that project. DH85868993 (talk) 10:44, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Roman Catholic faith?

It seems a little odd that the Nicole Scherzinger page mentions that Hamilton's a Roman Catholic and that the then-couple visited the pope to ask for a blessing on their engagement, but that there's no equivalent reference in the personal life section here - should it be added?86.159.26.64 (talk) 14:46, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Should be joint 4th on the all-time wins list

The lead states that Hamilton is "is currently 5th on the all-time wins list, with 41 wins." 41 wins actually puts him joint fourth on the all-time wins list, equal with Senna and behind Shumacher, Prost and Vettel. 185.45.25.66 (talk) 14:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 20:24, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit request, 1 October 2015

In the Formula 1 career subsection "Racial abuse" (right after 2008), the phrase "verbally heckled" is used. Heckling is always verbal, so our phrase is redundant. Please remove "verbal".

Also, at the end of that same paragraph, the sentence says: "...the FIA announced ... that it will ... ." "will" should be changed to would. Thanks. 108.56.199.37 (talk) 02:04, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

"Brit" is a colloquialism

Hamilton is a British F1 driver, not a "Brit". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.95.255 (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Ambiguous (and irrelevant?) statement

The statement in the lead: He is also the first driver of black Afro-Caribbean heritage to win a major race at Indianapolis Motor Speedway in any discipline refers to Ribbs or Hamilton? It isn't clear, and is unreferenced. If it refers to Ribbs, it is irrelevant to the Hamilton article. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:56, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

sixth-form college?

Please, do link sixth form college at the end of the 'Early life' chapter, as it is not widely known what it is.--67.87.189.39 (talk) 18:22, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Y Done. DH85868993 (talk) 20:05, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Points after Brazil GP

He has got 1849 not 1839 points right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.135.148.84 (talk) 11:59, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Y Fixed. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 12:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2016

83.211.156.96 (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hamilton vs. Button comparison

Should it be pointed out that during the span of 3 years as team mates, Button beat Hamilton with a total of 5 points? 2001:14BA:8300:0:0:0:3:5B62 (talk) 18:01, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I suppose this won't be considered due to fanboyism on wiki (the main reason for this article being protected in the first place, I suppose), even though similar comparisons have been listed on other drivers' wikis. 2001:14BA:8300:0:0:0:3:5B62 (talk) 22:56, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Glasses?

During the Post Qualifying interview, today, Lewis was wearing prescription glasses. There were also a few pre/post practice session pictures of him wearing gold framed sunglasses - maybe prescription? Should it be noted? Is it unique amongst F1 racers? Is it likely to limit his career? Kiltpin (talk) 14:31, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Didn't seem to affect Jacques Villeneuve. Btljs (talk) 21:14, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

The TV coverage in Australia said they had asked Lewis about the glasses and they weren't prescription, they were a fashion item. DH85868993 (talk) 00:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2016

To replace Lewis Hamilton's picture with this image.

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Lead length

I'm wondering whether this article's lead is getting to detailed. In particular there's a paragraph dealing with his childhood encounter with Dennis and a detailed description of his journey up the motorsports ladder. I think that this belongs in the body of the article. Tvx1 14:55, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree.It should be cut. I think some of it should be moved into the "early years" and "career" areas. Class455 (talk) 21:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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British Formula One racing driver Lewis Hamilton (b. 1985), shown during the 2016 Monaco Grand Prix. Hamilton, a racer for Mercedes, began the race with a history of losses on the Monaco track. However, despite rainy conditions he finished the Grand Prix in first place, with a time of 1:59:29.133.Photograph: Andrew Locking

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Incorrect grammar

having past Alain Prost's total of 51

should be

having passed Alain Prost's total of 51

Stophe79 (talk) 10:42, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Y Fixed. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2016

Remove the following footnote from the "Comparison with team-mates" section:

"♯ - Hamilton suffered four reliability hit races to Rosberg's one. Removing races where either driver had reliability issues Hamilton would have won 316-280. Hamilton also had 10 Wins to Rosberg's 9 and 12 Poles to Rosberg's 8."

This is an analysis of the season's proceedings, and is not a fact directly related to the 2016 standings. There are no similar footnotes about the other seasons. Consider moving this piece of information to the 2016 season summary (under "Formula One career") when it is completed. Lumos309 (talk) 10:38, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Extended content

That is not even honest assessment of the situation, Rosberg let him take last four wins without fight to not risk crash on track. Rosberg was by far the better driver in first half of the season and if anything cost Hamilton victory, it was his terrible starts. Being faster over one lap means nothing, especially in that car, Rosberg won fair and square in the eyes of everyone but small portion of one driver's following. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.156.136.109 (talk) 11:26, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The section has been deleted. Class455 (talk) 20:19, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring

I've just blocked one editor for edit warring. Further occurrences will result in further blocks. Mjroots (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Can we IP block this guy? He's returned under the name MrkM00. Holdenman05 (talk) 11:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Holdenman05: - IP is already autoblocked. Can you smell cheesy socks? Mjroots (talk) 12:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Mjroots: They've made the exact same edit, so it seems to be the case. I've already falsely accused someone of such actions before so I'm hesitant to make a definite call, but this one seems quite obvious. Holdenman05 (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Removal of referenced text

Lobo151, you removed a chunk of referenced text without summary, which I restored. You then reverted me. This is a misuse of rollback and getting into WP:EW territory. It's WP:BRD, so let's do the D part. Mjroots (talk) 07:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I had this disqusion before; This violates WP:NPOV. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV We are stating the facts on here, and we can do that by showing their awards, not by describing them as the best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobo151 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I had this disqusion before; This violates WP:NPOV. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV We are stating the facts on here, and we can do that by showing their awards, not by describing them as the best Lobo151 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Lobo151, you don't seem to have a problem adding this exact type of stuff to Alonso's article. Forgive me if I sense some bias. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I want to added it at Alonso couple of weeks ago. They told me it was against Wikipedia rules. Thats why I want to remove it at Hamilton. But if it can stay at Hamilton it should be also at Alonso in my opinion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobo151 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Lobo151, if you are having an issue on Alonso's article, please use talk:Fernando Alonso to discuss your issue, do NOT remove fully referenced text from Lewis Hamilton article. Formulaonewiki (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Formulaonewiki

Lobo151, further to my previous reply, the content you are removing here is certainly not the "exact type of stuff" you attempted to add on Fernando Alonso. You have not clearly explained whom exactly regards him as "one of the greatest drivers" and have not specified when (of his generation, era, of all time?). Please refrain from using your personal issues on another article to continue to wrongly delete sourced & reference text from this article. Formulaonewiki (talk) 19:51, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Formulaonewiki

Both of you, whatever you want to add, make it the references fully support it – and do not put "of all time" anywhere because it is hideously lazy and inaccurate. "All time" includes the future, and forecasting the future is not what we do. Try using a bit of your own vocabulary to say what you want to say. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Bretonbanquet, I hadn't considered that, will endeavor to avoid that in future and will try to improve wording on Lewis Hamilton. Formulaonewiki (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Formulaonewiki

I will do the same. I am very sorry for the confusion I caused.

Lobo151, no worries. We're both learning. Formulaonewiki (talk) 20:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Formulaonewiki

I don't think you can really call Hamilton one of the greatest drivers of all time halfway through his career and off the back of a limited number of references. Especially when two are opinion pieces and two are just statistics. It would be like calling The Dark Knight one of the greatest films of all time a week after its release because of two positive reviews. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@Prisonermonkeys: it isn't us calling him that, we are not using Wikipedia's voice to say it, we are reporting and fully attributing the referenced opinions of other, notable, commentators - and that is OK, whether we agree with them, or not. -- de Facto (talk). 20:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

DeFacto, that's true but if only select sources are arbitrarily chosen to paint a specific picture of a person that is still POV. Also, content needs to be correctly reflect the sources it is supported with. For instance the following passage from the lead "he is regarded by fellow and former drivers as the best Formula One driver of his generation" does not accurately reflect source #5 supporting it. Only one pundit, David Coulthard, gives his opinion on Lewis in that source. Thus the fellow and former drivers part is incorrect.Tvx1 22:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tvx1: yes, the hard bit is agreeing what the general notable and informed consensus is. -- de Facto (talk). 22:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

It's not difficult when you get multiple sources saying the same thing. Coulthard alone isn't enough—but if Coulthard, Brundle, Villeneuve, Webber, Rosberg and so on said it, then you'd have a case. In addition, I would be looking for a wide range of sources types, so media personalities and ex-drivers, but I would also be looking for a variety of countries of origin. Being from outside the British Isles, I am often very disappointed at how partisan the media coverage is; I have often thought that if Hamilton was caught murdering puppies, a lot of the British press would tell us why the puppies had it coming.

• Andrew Benson published an opinion piece before Abu Dhabi arguing that Hamilton would be well within his rights to force Rosberg out of the race if it meant becoming champion.
• During the European season, Ted Kravitz argued that Hamilton was free to ignore team orders that favoured Rosberg in one race, but in the next race argued that Hamilton was well within his rights to call for team orders and that Rosberg should obey them.

The same goes for any driver of any nationality. Calling a driver "one of the greatest of his generation" is a bold, broad claim to make, and while it is rarely made without justification, I would expect the Wikipedia article in question to draw on the broadest possible range of sources to support it, not just the press from the driver's home country. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 03:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

@Tvx1: a Motorsport poll of F1 drivers puts Hamilton as No.17 of all time, and in the top 40 from his generation: Alonso as No. 9, Raikkonen as No. 22, Vettel as No. 26, and Button as No. 30. -- de Facto (talk). 07:48, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Actually "one of the greatest" is completely meaningless and has no place in an encyclopaedia. The question to ask is: does this add any useful information? In the case of, say, Stirling Moss who never won a championship, I would argue that contemporary opinion and legacy are relevant in establishing his perceived 'greatness'. Not so much for a contemporary driver and what does it add to 3 championships and 2nd in number of victories anyway? As soon as you say 'regarded by X as great' you need context: who else is regarded that highly or higher? Who thinks he's just lucky? Not good for a lede paragraph. I would change the sentence to something like: "A three-time Formula One World Champion, he has won over 50 grands prix (the second most by any driver) and qualified in pole position over 60 times (the third most by any driver)." Btljs (talk) 08:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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far too long lead, needs pruning down to what is important. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

The length is perfectly fine. It describes the subject and the reason for their notability followed by a brief career summary, as with the consensus for most articles on notable sportsmen. Formulaonewiki (talk) 21:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

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User has altered the number of titles earned by Hamilton and this causes confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.132.230 (talk) 06:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I have reverted the edits. It's all but certain at this point, but we cannot update the number until it's official. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 07:01, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

The title does not change hands when it becomes mathematically impossible for someone else to win it, but later. And its not impossible yet, anyway. Britmax (talk) 10:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect championship wins

The current 2017 championship is still ongoing and Lewis Hamilton has not officially won the 2017 season. Currently the page states that he has been champion four time, this is incorrect. Jakepb93 (talk) 13:56, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I have reverted the change (again). Kahastok talk 14:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Could I remind all that the season does not end until the last race, whether the championship is "won" before then or not. Britmax (talk) 16:27, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

2015 United States Grand Prix

Nico Rosberg did not throw a Mercedes cap at Hamilton, it was his podium cap. Clearly evidenced by many YouTube videos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:B826:6A30:2D8F:1BE2:EBA3:FE4C (talk) 07:24, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Have corrected it. Formulaonewiki (talk) 21:21, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hamilton is also the only driver to have won at least one Grand Prix in every season he has competed in.

@Formulaonewiki: I dispute this: do we have a source which states there are no other drivers ever who won a race in every season they competed in? This might only be one season. I don't dispute he has the most consecutive seasons with a victory starting with his debut, but this is not the same thing. Btljs (talk) 08:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Inclined to agree. Unless there is a specific source, this is WP:OR. Ian Dalziel (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Even if there are this is not summary material and does not belong in the lead, unless you wish to risk the lead of every biography article becoming a list of trivial statistics (not that this trend is not already evident). Britmax (talk) 13:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I've deleted but been reverted twice, so I've raised it to avoid Edit Wars - The Last Wiki. Btljs (talk) 14:47, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Paradise Papers: tax avoidance

There should be a mention of the revelations of the Paradise Papers that he's been avoiding deliberately taxes in the UK and the rest of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.222.108.242 (talk) 09:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

It's already there - see the "Tax avoidance" section. DH85868993 (talk) 10:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

It was, but now it's been removed. Medeis, were you planning to come here to justify the removal? The sourcing looks pretty solid to me. John (talk) 07:15, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

That section was constructed to draw the reader toward a certain negative conclusion about the subject. The final statement was unreferenced, and the other sentences came from different sources but made an implied argument that he was guilty of some offense he had not been charged with or tried for. That, as an international figure, he had overseas dealings is not criminal. The fact that his private financial matters were leaked to the public shows culpability only on the part of those who hacked his data, not any criminality on his part. The notion that he should be outed in our article on the basis of a certain viewpoint that has to be explained to the reader in the form of premises drawing one towards a conclusion, rather than just reporting the facts (if they existed) about any actual criminal charges, convictions or admissions is a violation of NPOV, SYNTHESIS, and BLP. μηδείς (talk) 16:44, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I see your point, and I think I have a well-deserved reputation as a stern upholder of BLP. I think though that if the BBC and other major reliable sources have seen fit to cover this, it should certainly be mentioned in our article. Is there a way we could compromise on a wording that would satisfy your concerns? --John (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I'd still be of the opinion it's undue weight, but a mention that he was one person named in the leak of thousands private documents (which needs to be described as such) and became therefor the subject of criticism by some (who need to be named, per WP:ATTRIBUTE) for revelations of his offshore holdings, although there have been no criminal allegations in this regard, would be fine BLP-wise. The nature of the leak, attribution of criticism, and mention that no crime has been alledged are essential.

The problem with the previous version was the multi-sentence synthetic walking through aspect toward an implied conclusion based on an assumed POV held by revenuers themselves. We have to remember that there was a definite agenda behind that leak, and it was not neutral nor was it legally produced (as in court evidence) or sanctioned (as in legally mandated). Also, tax evasion (in the US at least), is a specific crime, while tax avoidance is perfectly legal. μηδείς (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2017

Even with semi protection, would it be ok to correct a typo? At his biography at the 2017 brazilian part it read " and so started the race from pole position while teammate Bottas took pole position" where you see the mistake here. It should instead read " and so started the race from the pits, while teammate Bottas took pole position" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:8D80:560:EF81:E34B:9738:D84D:52D4 (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Fixed (although I wrote "from the pit lane" rather than "from the pits"). Thanks for pointing out the error. DH85868993 (talk) 08:17, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Daniel Case (talk · contribs) 17:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I will bite the bullet and take this on. I will print it out for a copyedit and to make comments; this should take a couple of days (at least). Daniel Case (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, here I am ten days later, delayed by a combination of things:

• The derecho line in the Northeast U.S. a week ago that knocked out our power for a day (But at least I used some of the time without it to read through my hard copy with a red pen).

• More importantly, the limitations of our printing technology. Printing this article in its standard form results in a large stack of papers with the type about 6 points high. I know it's nice to be able to say you've gone over an article with a microscope, but that shouldn't be literally. Something will have to be done about this at the tech end, because in order to properly proof the article, I had to cut and paste it into Word. That came out to 37 pages without the tables and footnotes.

But anyway ...

First and foremost I can say that there is no problem with this article not being comprehensive enough. This would be a prime example of the far end of the spectrum.

I mean ... 255K or thereabouts when I started this? WOW! I thought this would be the longest article we have on a living active professional athlete, but then I got the hint that Cristiano Ronaldo was even longer and ... yep. At 310K and almost 700 footnotes, it leaves this one in the dust. We seriously might want to consider separate "Playing career of ...", or something like that, spinoffs for articles like this.

Someone must have decided after the last GA fails that the best way to go was overwhelming force, and ... on that score, they won. I can only assume FAC is on the near horizon. Perhaps someone should tell them to duck.

There are, nevertheless, some places where this approach hurts more than it helps:

• In the intro, it is understandable that we say Hamilton is biracial (as we say in North America; I suppose "mised-race" is the UK term?). But I think we can leave the fact that his father is black and his mother white to the section on his childhood.

• Speaking of which, in that section, I don't think the fact that his parents lived in Grenada before he was born is relevant, at least not when it's not mentioned anywhere else in the article; nor do I see a reason to give his sisters' names if they're not notable (his brother, who seems to be, is a different story).

• I also don't see why we need that graf of Alonso complaining about how things went after the 2007 Japanese Grand Prix either, as he says nothing directly about Hamilton in it. It's a lot more relevant to Alonso's career, and honestly I think the article could lose this without anyone really noticing.

The writing was, uh, interesting. It feels as is if it was written by three different people, perhaps at different times. One, mostly responsible for the later stages of Hamilton's career and the "driving style" section, was fairly competent and knew how to write for Wikipedia. The parts after that, and some odd sentences here and there elsewhere in the article, read like they were written by a second-language speaker—sometimes I had to guess at what the writer might have intended when correcting the grammar and syntax.

Lastly, the earlier sections, probably older, seemed to have written by a younger, less eloquent writer, one of the kind prone to the overly formal style I associate here with fans whose zeal to make sure the article is up to date outstrips their ability to fluidly use the language. The sort of writer for whom things are never said, but stated. The sort of writer prone to redundant phrasing like "at the age of" and "finishing in fifth place" (as well as a really good one here, "prior to the start of the season" (where everything the first five words say can be condensed to one: "before"). The sort of writer not entirely clear on when to use figures and when to spell out numbers (For consistency's sake, I followed, as I do in all my own writing, the AP Stylebook's rule that one through nine are spelled out both as cardinals and ordinals while 10 and above require figures ... MOS:NUM leaves this up to the writer). The sort of writer who feels we need to know, years later, the exact dates someone was informed of something and when that something was made public two months later. The sort of writer who, without realizing it, has absorbed a lot of bad journalistic clichés like "[they] officially appealed [the decision]" (Has an unofficial appeal ever been possible?)

Cleaning up that latter writer was in large part responsible for the almost 2K I was able to shave off during my copyedit. As a rule, I consider any time you wind up cutting more than 1K to have been an indicator that there was definite fat in the article.

There are still by my count about a dozen {{fact}} tags that need to be addressed. Formulaonewiki has done an excellent job responded to the other ones, and I trust this will continue until they are all gone.

So, I am putting this article on hold until everything is cited. An article this long should not have any uncited grafs, not when it already has almost 400 footnotes. (The other suggestions here can be taken as primarily advisory). Daniel Case (talk) 06:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Alright, five days have gone by, and there appears not to be a remaining tag in the article. And my other concerns above have been addressed as well.

Therefore, the article passes. Daniel Case (talk) 06:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Pole positions?

Simple question: does he have 76 or 77 poles? List of f1 drivers' records states 76 (todays' included), whereas here he has 76 without todays' pole included. MattSucci (talk) 14:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

It's 76 including the 2018 British Grand Prix. The value displayed in this article comes from Template:F1stat which had been updated before you asked your question. DH85868993 (talk) 01:27, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Question answered. Thank you very much. My ignorance of the finer workings of Wikipedia was demonstrated here.MattSucci (talk) 18:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

No problem. It can seem counterintuitive that the content of an article can change without the article being directly edited. DH85868993 (talk) 10:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Latest win is not French GP, it's German GP.

Latest win should be German GP, it is still showing French GP. Stewards reprimand him for pit entry violation. Kosta021 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Y Fixed. DH85868993 (talk) 09:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Part Finnish

During the press conference of the 2018 German Grand Prix, Hamilton revealed he has a "fraction of Finnish" in him. The quote (and context) can be found near the end of the transcript https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/7/fia-post-race-press-conference---germany.html.

Is there a place in the article where this characteristic and disclosure can appear? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supun47 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Latest win is not German GP, it's Hungarian GP.

Latest win should be Hungarian GP instead of German GP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.2.225.254 (talk • contribs)

Y Fixed. DH85868993 (talk) 20:51, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Rivalry with Nico Rosberg - no mention of the 2016 Canadian GP?

At the 2016 Canadian Grand Prix, Hamilton and Rosberg, who started both from the front row, collided on the first lap, causing the German to lose several positions and not being able to finish better than fifth after a battle with Max Verstappen while Hamilton won the race.

I think it should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.161.144.96 (talk) 19:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton comments on India.

Lewis Hamilton comments on country India and later clarified it. Source. Ram nareshji (talk) 05:49, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Proposed controversies section

Hi all, I want to suggest that the current article would benefit from two changes:

1. I think it is worth including details of Hamilton's remarks at the 2018 SPOTY show, along with his subsequent apology. These comments were widely covered in reliable news outlets, including here, here, and here.
2. I think that much of the material in the 'personal life' section would be better placed in a new (sub-)section entitled 'controversies', this could also include the material on tax avoidance. As it stands, Hamilton's driving offences and controversial Instagram comments are placed in the same section as his taste in music and clothing line. I think this structural change could be introduced, while ensuring a NPOV. Jono1011 (talk) 16:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. --Formulaonewiki (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Y Done. --Formulaonewiki (talk) 18:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about the idea. By concentrating these items under one section it draws undue attention to them, especially by labeling the section as "controversies" (see WP:BLPSTYLE). I think (and this view is supported by WP:CRITS) that such things (assuming suitable RSes exist) should be covered within the existing sections, and named more neutrally. So, pending other views, I think the unduly rapid change to include a separate section should be undone for now. -- DeFacto (talk). 19:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Maybe it would be better to have the Tax avoidance section restored, then a new Public behaviour for the other controversies. Or, have Tax avoidance, Driving Offenses and Public comments. Thoughts? --Formulaonewiki (talk) 20:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC

I wouldn't group them into a single section, just leave them in the chronological prose. Separating them out unduly focuses attention on them as if they are a feature or trait of his life that need particular attention, when they're trivia really and we don't provide special sections for other "by-the-ways" in his biography. (Please note too that tax evasion is illegal (and accusations of such would violate BLP if not robustly sourced - hence my mod to your post), whereas tax avoidance is perfectly legitimate and would be considered as prudent by many.) -- DeFacto (talk). 22:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

My mistake! Thanks for correcting. Probably best to revert for now until we reach consensus. --Formulaonewiki (talk) 23:29, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

You want to be careful you don't attach undue weight to any of this. A controversy section is hazardous on a BLP, as it impugns the subjects character. Which may be fine, if there enough evidence that the subject is actually controversial, with a history of wrongdoing or significant debate over their deeds, but not if all we've got is a single story about something someone once said. An actual controversy is something that is discussed more than once.

I'm not convinced this latest thing is even worth including. It's a rather trivial event in the life and times of Lewis Hamilton, and does not inform the reader of anything about the man. His tax affairs may justify a separate section, as his residency, amount of tax he pays and his plane registration have all come under discussion multiple times. Everything else should either be included in the personal life section, or removed. QueenCake (talk) 23:55, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi all, I think the SPOTY material does merit inclusion, particularly given the international press coverage it attracted. I think that it does tell you something about Hamilton as a person, particularly if all the relevant details are included. Re: whether to have a 'controversies' section, I agree that this could lead to undue attention being drawn to this section. Perhaps as a compromise we could keep the material in the personal life section, but include neutrally named subjections so that the material is presented thematically, rather than chronologically. Jono1011 (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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Grammer Correction

Under Formula One Career / Mercedes / 2013 season: First win with Mercedes. The sentence that starts "The move was met the surprise by pundits and the public... " should really be "The move was met with surprise by pundits and the public...".

Phuzi (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Done, ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2019

One of the most successful drivers in the history of the sport, Hamilton's six World Championship titles is the second-most of all time, and his tally of 83 race victories is the second-most of all time

One of the most successful drivers in the history of the sport, Hamilton's six World Championship titles are the second-most of all time, and his tally of 83 race victories is the second-most of all time Feruccio123 (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I've reworded the relevant sentence.
SSSB (talk) 14:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Cars 2

Is there any particular reason why there is no mention of his acting role as himself in Disney Pixars "Cars 2"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.75.237 (talk) 20:17, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

There is no reason (which I am aware of) so I added it.
SSSB (talk) 14:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

"EngvarB" or "Use British English"?

Greetings and felicitations. Currently the article has the templates {{EngvarB|date=February 2019}} and {{Use British English|date=October 2019}}. Being a Yank, I have no preference, but those who do have a stake should probably come to a consensus. —DocWatson42 (talk) 06:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

It should be {{Use British English}} as it is more specific than {{EngvarB}}. I will make the change.
SSSB (talk) 09:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Let's make sure we get the ethnic background of everyone

Hamilton's mother, Carmen (Larbalestier), is white British, while his father, Anthony Hamilton, is black British, making him mixed-race;

What is the point of this? The majority have eyes. I think Theresa Mays page needs an edit --- > "May is the only child of Zaidee Mary (née Barnes; 1928–1982) and Hubert Brasier (1917–1981).[17] Her father was a Church of England clergyman (and an Anglo-Catholic)[18] who was chaplain of an Eastbourne hospital."

Well? What is she? Racially? Is her father welsh? Does her mother have any Scot blood? Why is that not a thing on her page?

Is Theresa May and many others whose pages do not start like this... inbred? If not. Should their biographies not also begin with "making her/him mixed race" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badarticles (talk • contribs) 06:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Badarticles, its mentioned because his mixed-race is discussed in several sources and he is notable for being the first black f1 driver.
SSSB (talk) 11:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

When Lewis knew he had McLaren drive

We have known Lewis and Anthony Hamilton from his time at Manor Motorsport when racing Formula Renault. Attending the F1 test at Silverstone after the Italian GP in September 2006, we were chatting with Anthony on the day that Lewis was testing the McLaren. When no-one was in ear-shot Anthony said to me, "Ron Dennis drives a hard bargain", then winked and grinned, when my face erupted and I said "What?" and about to say "so Lewis has signed?", he put a finger to his lips to indicate "keep it a secret". That was around the 20th of September. So Anthony at least had agreed a deal for Lewis to be paid for being a F1 driver before the end of September... 92.234.139.94 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Unfortantly personal testamonies aren't relaible sources and therefore can't be used. :(
SSSB (talk) 11:40, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Hamilton sold his jet

Lewis Hamilton no longer owns a jet (apperently sold couple of years back): https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7195179/Lewis-Hamilton-sells-25m-private-jet-greener-lifestyle.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.186.161.241 (talk) 07:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The daily mail isn't considered a relaible source (Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources). Can you provide another one?
SSSB (talk) 11:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

The BBC confirms it here, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50061569 MarpoHarks (talk) 09:35, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done, interesting take on couple of years back
SSSB (talk) 09:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I read the BBC article as not giving a date for the jet sale, and in September he opened a restaurant. MarpoHarks (talk) 23:39, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

FA standard

I received a message on my talk page about having a look at this to see how it was progressing towards FA standards. There have been some definite improvements to the article, although the prose would need a little more work I think. However the biggest issue remains sourcing. A quick glance (I haven't checked in depth and maybe have missed something) shows that there is only one citation that uses one of the printed sources. Everything else still comes from what I would term low-quality sources – mainly news articles that treat the subjects somewhat superficially. But the bibliography mentions 11 books and an autobiography. Why are we not using these? Or what about season review articles or publications (perhaps we have used these and I've missed them)? These should be driving the article (no pun intended!); what seems to have happened is that we have chosen the story we want to tell and then filled it with news articles. This is not how a FA should work. Until these sources have been consulted and incorporated, I don't think this can reach FA level, and if I were to see this nominated at FAC I would certainly oppose on those grounds. It may seem a little tough, and difficult, and harsh, but that is the required standard for FA. I would recommend trying to get these books from a library and use them as a basis. I think it would make for an immeasurably better article. I'm not around often at the moment, but please ping me if you would like to query anything I've said. Sarastro (talk) 22:00, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

"Lewis+hamilton" listed at Redirects for discussion

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SSSB (talk) 18:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Spelling errors

There are spelling errors on this page when mentioning Red Bull Racing in the F1 career section. Jdh5691 (talk) 07:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jdh5691:, could you be more specific please. I had a quick look at the paragraph in question and I didn't see any mistakes, then again my spelling is atrocious so I probably missed something.
SSSB (talk) 08:15, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2020

lewis won the hawthorn memorial trophy in 2019 but it hasn’t been updated MessiIsMyBezzie (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done
SSSB (talk) 18:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

spelling error

Manhattan, not Manhatten, New York. (under residences) 216.80.103.98 (talk) 05:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Y Fixed. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 06:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

"Mono Kbron" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Mono Kbron. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 23#Mono Kbron until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
SSSB (talk) 09:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

"Music Appearance as XDNA"

He made an appearance on Christina Aguileras' record "Liberation". Track 13, Pipe, under the stage name "XDNA" Worth putting in somehow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CCharlieH (talk • contribs) 02:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@CCharlieH: first we are going to need a reliable source to confirm this, then we can start considering it. Can this be provided?
SSSB (talk) 07:35, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Maybe this? Corvus tristis (talk) 18:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

We'll need someone with an Instagram account. He said so there, though I'm not sure that's enough. CCharlieH (talk) 18:20, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Not sure why it's blown up lately, as it is old news... [1] Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2020

Lewis Hamilton was born in Hitchin Maternity Hospital and brought up in Stevenage. The Lister Hospital in Stevenage didn’t have a maternity ward at that time and used Hitchin. 2A00:23C6:6881:201:D9E4:AFAF:99C2:F400 (talk) 01:30, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

Also, the source says "Born January 7 1985 in Stevenage". (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:46, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Bizarre use of square brackets in quotations

"[m]usic has been a huge passion ... "[a]s the human race, what we are doing...

What on earth was the person thinking that contributed those two (and possibly more) quotes into the page? You put things into square brackets in a quote when the reader needs context adding to what was said. For example - "He [Nico Rosberg] won the championship in 2016". The words said just used "he" and the editor added some context by letting us know who the "he" was. I'd love to know if in those sentences above that I quoted Lewis missed out the first letter when he spoke. Did he really say "usic has been a huge passion" ? and "s the human race" ? It sounds highly unlikely to me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:51FE:2B01:7C8F:4AFF:122F:DC0D (talk) 15:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

My guess is that the original quotes used capital letters, i.e. "Music has been a huge passion ..." and "As the human race, what we are doing..." and the square brackets were used to indicate that the text included in the article isn't exactly the same as the original quotes, i.e. because lower case has been used instead of capitals. DH85868993 (talk) 02:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

This may be true but, I have to agree that it's strange and unnecessary. The words are the same and therefore (my understanding is that) the square brackets are unnecessary in this case.
SSSB (talk) 12:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

[Original questioner here] - I'd rather see the capital letter there than the square brackets. I certainly wouldn't be thinking "why on earth is that letter there capitalized?". It would seem completely normal to me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:51FE:2B01:694E:8E97:2AE7:10DE (talk) 14:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Using capitals would be fine with me. I was just trying to explain how the brackets probably came to be there; I wasn't defending their use. DH85868993 (talk) 00:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I can't speak for the above quote, but I have definitely used square brackets when writing some parts of this article, as is common academic practice to change an uppercase to a lowercase when embedding a quote starting with a capital when it would otherwise be grammatically/syntactically incorrect. I'm very surprised that the original posting user has never seen that before, it is a widely used and, in many fields, encouraged practice (see here for an example). I, personally, find it far more natural seeing an appropriately used square bracket than out of place capital letters. —Ave (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

After reading the quote, I agree more context would help the reader understand why it was included in the article. However, I agree with Ave, using brackets is appropriate and proper when trying to clarify upper/lower case in a quote. Jurisdicta (talk) 01:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

It's not bizarre. Some style guides require the use of brackets when changing capitalization ("Music"/"[m]usic"), such as MLA [2], while other style guides do not require it, such as APA [3]. MOS:BRACKETS doesn't appear to address it. Personally I think it's better without brackets. Lev!vich 04:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Most wins at home Grand Prix - incorrect

Hamilton won the 2008 GP but not the 2007 GP. The text is wrong but the link is correct.

Could someone change it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.49.224.156 (talk) 20:59, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done
SSSB (talk) 09:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

screwy sentence

"This later resulted in a Formula One drive with McLaren in 2007, meaning Hamilton is considered to be the first and only black driver to race in the sport."

how does the first part IN ANY WAY mean the second?!

suggest change to

"This later resulted in a Formula One drive with McLaren in 2007, making Hamilton the sport's first and only black driver."

still not great, but as a quick fix at least.

also, i would add "to date" in that last part. "...the sport's first and, to date, only black driver." 66.30.47.138 (talk) 07:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done
SSSB (talk) 09:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Early Life & Education

The sentence "Being the only Black child racing at his club, Hamilton experienced racism from a young age" implies he experienced racism because he was the only Black child. Could this be written as "Lewis was the only Black child racing at his club. He experienced racial abuse from a young age." ." as per reference note 15.  florrie  14:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2020

In the third paragraph of the subsection 3.2.2, I believe there is a misspelling - "the Honda-powered Red Rull of Verstappen".

Change Red Rull to Red Bull. Asechrest (talk) 14:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Done, as requested. Britmax (talk) 14:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Marking as answered. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2020

Under the Honors and Achievements sections, please add 2020. HamEditor (talk) 12:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

If you mean add the 2020 Formula One World Championship, then it's been done
SSSB (talk) 22:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

BBC feature

There is a long detailed feature article about Hamilton that was published yesterday on the BBC, perhaps it would be a useful source for someone: [4] Osario (talk) 15:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there any particular information from the BBC article that you feel should be included in the wikipedia article? The article is fascinating and does provide an insight to his background and into the world of Formula 1 racing. Jurisdicta (talk) 04:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

"The first black driver"

Hamilton is not black. He is of mixed-ethnicity. Why does it say black? His mother is white. His father black, makes him of mixed-ethnicity. Plus he is british.

Found in the "racism" sector.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.186.94.74 (talk) 08:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Firstly, being British is completely irrelevant to being black. Secondly this article calls him the first black driver because reliable, secondry sources call him black and further he identifies as being black, the fact that he is mix-raced but self identifies as black is explained in the first sentenance of Early life and education. We only reflect what the sources say. Finally, I fail to see how this is racism.
SSSB (talk) 08:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

It's irrelevant what he identifies as since it's a fact he's mixed-ethnicity and that can't be changed. It's also irrelevant what your so-called sources say since he is mixed-ethnicity as a fact? (Personal attack removed)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.171.177 (talk) 14:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, Hamilton is not black and Wikipedia should not spread false information. 82.203.166.133 (talk) 14:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The instances (two which I found) where Hamilton is referred to as being black now come with a footnote explaining that he is actually mixed race but is commonly referred to as black as a attempted compromise. We still need to follow what the sources say. Also please refrain from personal attacks. They will be retracted.
SSSB (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

We call him the first black driver because all the reliable sources call him the first black driver. If they called him "the first mixed-race driver", then we'd do that, too. Lev!vich 04:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

If the subject says he is back, and multi reliable sources say the same, then the article reflects the facts, not some racists persons attempt to cause offence2A00:23C4:215:C500:5CC4:47C6:52B0:F21E (talk) 13:34, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

External Links

Hello, any objections to me adding an external link using the NPG name template, ie. a link to the portraits of him held in the National Portrait Gallery, London?Julia bee1 (talk) 16:31, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't this fall under the points listed at WP:ELNO? Namely the first one.
SSSB (talk) 17:06, 19 November 2020 (UTC)