Talk:Lagos Open (2000–present)
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[edit]In terms of assessing notability for tournaments, GNG trumps whatever limiting factor is in WP:NTENNIS. This event has been the biggest tennis tournament in Nigeria for over a decade, and that has made it to be covered significantly by reliable sources. It passes GNG. Also, the new title is not appropriate, this article was not created for an event that is starting next year. HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- And you said there are incorrect information in the article, be specific about what is not accurate, instead of treating other editors added content in a way that make it seem unvalued. HandsomeBoy (talk) 00:08, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Per your sources, 2014 was a non-sanctioned tournament, so per the ITF there are no results. And,"if" it does ever become a Challenger event, the only past champions listed will be Challenger level championships. Futures and $25,000 pots are extremely low level tennis events, even winning one does not make a player notable. The singles winner's prize money is usually about $3000, as compared to Wimbledon where losing in the 1st round is over a $40,0000 payday. And why two champions per year at this minor league event? That is confusing to our readers too, since no other event has that. I know it's because they have an F4 minor-minor league champion and an F5 minor-minor league champion, the number indicating how many minor league tennis events the country has held that year. But two listed champions is really confusing to readers. These minor-minor league events have no place at wikipedia except as a mentioned in a list of all 1000+ low level tennis events. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Fyunck(click): Every year, there is usually two tournaments, the first tagged first leg, while the second is second leg. The second leg starts immediately after the first, and the results from both are distinct from each-other. That is why we have two winners yearly. I agree that the tournament can not confer automatic notability for a tennis player, but this is not a BLP article. It is an event! Wikipedia standards for memorable events and competitions (singular articles, not yearly ones) are usually lesser than the ones for BLPs. And you are wrong about the prize money, the single winners for GCLT has been $25,000 for as long as I can remember. It is one of the highest paying tennis tournamnet, not just in Nigeria but also the entire continent. HandsomeBoy (talk) 11:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Unless the ITF changed its rules yesterday, you are incorrect about the payout. It is a $25,000 mens singles event but the winner doesn't get anywhere near $25,000. For the men (which includes doubles) the $25,000 is first split 75/25 for singles and doubles...so $18,750. The singles winner gets a 14.4% share all the way down to a first round loser who gets $260 bucks. Someone's pulling your leg if they told you $25k is the winners share. And it costs $40 to enter. This particular "high-level" minor-minor league event offers "hospitality." So the players get food and accommodation. Many Futures events don't offer those things and that is why this event can attract players from other countries. But a plane flight will eat away your winnings in a hurry. Often at Futures tournaments the racket stringer goes home with more money than a tournament winner does. Heck, prior to 2013 I believe the Nigerian Futures was a 10,000 event. I don't even think it had hospitality. So the men's winner would get 954 euros for his title, but if he flew, he likely had pay for his 400 for his flights, 315 for his hotel, 200 for food, and 30 for stringing, for 7 days work. So he'd leave the tournament with 9 euros in his pocket. That's life in minor-minor league tennis. Fyunck(click) (talk) 15:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Fyunck(click): Every year, there is usually two tournaments, the first tagged first leg, while the second is second leg. The second leg starts immediately after the first, and the results from both are distinct from each-other. That is why we have two winners yearly. I agree that the tournament can not confer automatic notability for a tennis player, but this is not a BLP article. It is an event! Wikipedia standards for memorable events and competitions (singular articles, not yearly ones) are usually lesser than the ones for BLPs. And you are wrong about the prize money, the single winners for GCLT has been $25,000 for as long as I can remember. It is one of the highest paying tennis tournamnet, not just in Nigeria but also the entire continent. HandsomeBoy (talk) 11:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Per your sources, 2014 was a non-sanctioned tournament, so per the ITF there are no results. And,"if" it does ever become a Challenger event, the only past champions listed will be Challenger level championships. Futures and $25,000 pots are extremely low level tennis events, even winning one does not make a player notable. The singles winner's prize money is usually about $3000, as compared to Wimbledon where losing in the 1st round is over a $40,0000 payday. And why two champions per year at this minor league event? That is confusing to our readers too, since no other event has that. I know it's because they have an F4 minor-minor league champion and an F5 minor-minor league champion, the number indicating how many minor league tennis events the country has held that year. But two listed champions is really confusing to readers. These minor-minor league events have no place at wikipedia except as a mentioned in a list of all 1000+ low level tennis events. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Here's an article about a $15,000 Futures event. Fyunck(click) (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting. I was of the opinion that while creating the article, I encountered a source that emphatically displayed an image of the governor giving one of the single winners a cheque, I was probably wrong on that. But there are top Nigerian sources that clearly show that in recent times, there is $50k for the first leg, and another $50k for the second leg, amounting to $100k. This source documents that for the first leg, there will be $25k for women event, and another $25K for men's event. Which is in agreement with the $100k prize money. I agree with you that every player that gets to the main draw will have a share of the $100k, I saw that in one of the sources. Accomodation is free for players at the only 5-star hotel in Nigeria Eko Hotel and Suites as stated here, subsidy fees is also given to some participants 1. The editor that created this talkpage, Eruditescholar who is also the coordinator of WikiProject Lagos, possibly rated it "medium" in its importance scale because of his perception of its relevance to sports in Nigeria, and Africa as a whole.HandsomeBoy (talk) 22:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- So as far as the ITF is concerned it is a $25,000H tournament (H for hospitality)... this is it's official status. Since there are four tournaments running they market it as $100,000 to make it sound better. I'm glad it does well for Nigerian tourism, and I hope it one day makes the Challenger level. The continent needs more tennis events. Right now it is not notable for it's tennis... but it is the first step of professional tennis. And things are changing very quickly in ITF tennis, especially for men. I think there are four payment levels of Mens ITF. $15,000, $15,000H, $25,000, $25,000H... so it's the top of the ITF food chain for men. You play ITF's to hopefully make it to the Challenger Tour and you play Challengers to hopefully make it to the ATP Tour. One never knows if one is watching a player who, in 2 or 3 years, will be a household name. You say players who are just budding. The women are different because they don't really have a Challenger level tour... just a few Challenger level tournaments. They have 15k, 25k, 60k, 75k, and 100k ITF events. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:51, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- Interesting. I was of the opinion that while creating the article, I encountered a source that emphatically displayed an image of the governor giving one of the single winners a cheque, I was probably wrong on that. But there are top Nigerian sources that clearly show that in recent times, there is $50k for the first leg, and another $50k for the second leg, amounting to $100k. This source documents that for the first leg, there will be $25k for women event, and another $25K for men's event. Which is in agreement with the $100k prize money. I agree with you that every player that gets to the main draw will have a share of the $100k, I saw that in one of the sources. Accomodation is free for players at the only 5-star hotel in Nigeria Eko Hotel and Suites as stated here, subsidy fees is also given to some participants 1. The editor that created this talkpage, Eruditescholar who is also the coordinator of WikiProject Lagos, possibly rated it "medium" in its importance scale because of his perception of its relevance to sports in Nigeria, and Africa as a whole.HandsomeBoy (talk) 22:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Here's an article about a $15,000 Futures event. Fyunck(click) (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Requested move 17 October 2018
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The result of the move request was: moved to Lagos Open (2000–present) (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 13:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Governors Cup Lagos Open → Lagos Open (2000-present) – The last time I made this move, it resulted to a long enlightening AFD debate. But the fact is that this competition has been changed from Governor's Cup to Lagos Open. Even the 2018 edition that ended a few days ago used Lagos Open. I'm not sure of the exact primary name to use, but there should be Lagos Open in there, and Governors Cup shoudn't be there. We should only use legitimate names for entities such as this. HandsomeBoy (talk) 22:07, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: The correct proposal is Lagos Open (2000–present), as per MOS:DASH. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The move is ok. Alexplaugh12 (talk) 18:34, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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