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A fact from Karen Americans appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 September 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 2017 Bishop Maginn High School baseball team largely consisted of Karen refugees?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Karen people in the United States.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vincent60030 (talk) 19:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the 2017 Bishop Maginn High School baseball team was largely comprised of Karen refugees who had never played the sport before? 1

Reviewed: Cristian Montaño
Comment: I started this draft many years ago, so this is technically a self nom, but the credit for publishing this draft must go to Bkissin, Calliopejen1, and Djm-leighpark. It was moved to the mainspace last week.

Moved to mainspace by Bkissin (talk). Nominated by Inter&anthro (talk) at 04:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC).[reply]

New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. But the lead is unfocused; it does not even say where these people emigrated from. Please write a proper WP:LEAD that mentions the main points in the article. The hook is interesting and the hook ref is verified by footnote 58, but footnote 59 is a dead link. It might be nice to add images from Commons Category:Karen people. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 11:08, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: If I may interject, I'm surprised that this nomination doesn't have more potential hooks. I mention this only because it's too hilarious to overlook other potential implications of the word "Karen", if you'll forgive the reference - it would be much more hooky, given that popular usage of the word today. For instance:

ALT1~~... that a fair percentage of the United States' adult Karen population may have PTSD?~~
ALT2~~... that some cities have opened up special schools exclusively for the Karen population?~~
ALT3~~... that Minnesota, New York, and Nebraska have the United States' highest Karen populations?~~ epicgenius (talk) 16:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 might be possibly considered as mild defamation, while ALT2 might suggest other things ("special"). I prefer ALT3 the most. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 16:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: wouldn't these alts be more suitable for April Fools Day? Yoninah (talk) 18:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: Yeah, maybe. My point was more of the fact that other hooks can be found as well. epicgenius (talk) 18:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Inter&anthro: for comment here. Do you like any of the alts? Also, please be in touch here on the template to let me know if you followed up on any of my points. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Woops sorry about that, I've been occupied with work so I've been off wiki more than normal lately. I've made a couple improvements, such as expanding the lead (thought it probably should still be expanded more) and adding two images that I could find on commons (although neither is particularly high quality). As for the lead I find the use of Karen as a pejorative to be more annoying than anything, so personally I prefer the original lead, although similar to Jeromi Mikhael out of the three proposed leads I find the 3rd lead the most agreeable. I agree that Epicgenius' leads may work as an April 1st gimmick, and given the coverage Karen (pejorative) I would be willing to change the lead if there is a consensus to do so. Inter&anthro (talk) 02:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't think ALT3 is hooky. Immigrant groups tend to cluster in certain communities in certain states, so this statement is not unusual or interesting. (t · c) buidhe 07:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that by itself, it wouldn't be hooky. However, when combined with the fact that "Karen" is also used as a pejorative nowadays (specifically toward women perceived as entitled), it may take on a different context. Anyhow, my proposals are all just that - proposals. I'm not tied to any of the ALT's, just wanted to point out that there are a few other options we could run with. epicgenius (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't know, it seems a bit as if it is based on a fad or a gimmick, a few years ago Karen was not in most people's dictionary as a prerogative. There are plenty of similar hypothetical DYK hooks you could come up with ethnic or cultural terms that are derogatory in the English language, such as "did you know most Hos live in India?" or "Lots of people go to this town for Fucking?" At least to me it seems rather childish. Inter&anthro (talk) 02:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, let's go back to the first hook, which is plenty hooky. The article issues have been addressed. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]