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Was Dr. Karan Singh ever the "Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir"? His answer: "No, no, never... My father (Hari Singh) was the last, real, ruling Prince, I was never a ruling Prince."

I have removed the title "Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir" from Dr. Karan Singh's infobox. As India does not allow any of it's citizens to hold royal titles due to the 26th constitutional amendment, which when it was passed Dr. Karan Singh was in fact a cabinet minister in the government. Further, Dr. Karan Singh who was once the Yuvraj (crown prince) never claimed the title of the Maharaja and never took coronation by a priest. Dr. Karan Singh even voluntarily surrender his privy purse prior to the passing of the 26th amendment, as he is a firm and respected believer in the secular Indian democracy and a leading member of the left wing socialist Congress party. In this interview with Outlook magazine in 2014, Dr. Karan Singh in his own words answers this question when asked if he was ever the ruling monarch, "No, no, never, on the contrary the reverse happened. My father was the last, real, ruling Prince, I was never a ruling Prince." Beautiful future (talk) 08:35, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In this interview Dr. Karan Singh also further clarified his position and preference for secular democratic values as opposed to outdated royal feudal beliefs.

He stated, " I, as a young man, found myself torn between the two paths. My father’s path—for which he wanted me to come and live In Bombay and race horses and live happily ever after. And the other path, to which I grew up, was what he called the ‘exciting adventure’ of building ‘new India.’ I was very clear from the very beginning that if it came to a choice I would go with Nehru and not my father for that suited me because I am not a feudal person by attitude. I did not like the idea of sitting around racing horses for the rest of my life." Beautiful future (talk) 12:40, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Further in a previous interview with Outlook magazine in 2011 Dr. Karan Singh had said "I followed Pandit Nehru and not my father. I followed him at the risk of angering my father, rightly or wrongly. I think rightly. I integrated myself into the national consensus." Beautiful future (talk) 13:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Karan Singh would have been the present Maharaja, Emperor or King of all lands and territories of “Jammu and Kashmir” had his father not stepped down from the throne and acceded to India!

Dr. Karan Singh (1931- ) is an Indian politician, author and distinguished diplomat who would have been the present Maharaja, Emperor or King of all lands and territories of “Jammu and Kashmir”. He was born as the heir-apparent to the then ruler of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, to Maharaja Hari Singh and his wife Maharani Tara Devi. Heir apparent from birth, he was educated at the Doon School and Pratap College, receiving a PhD from Delhi University.

In 1949, he was appointed as the regent of the Jammu and Kashmir state after his father stepped down as the king, following the state's accession to India. He served successively as regent, Sardar-i-Riyasat and governor of the state of Jammu and Kashmir from 1965-1967.

Even though the days of the Princely States and Monarchies are now long over in India, to some people who still respect & revere their royals and royal family this gentle and kindhearted man is still looked upon fondly as the Maharaja, Emperor or King of all lands and territories of Jammu and Kashmir in their hearts.

Atulsnischal 23:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dr Karan Singh The would be "Maharaja / king" of all of Jammu & Kashmir

Hi Deepak please dont remove Karan Singh from Jammu & Kashmir, he is the would be "Maharaja / king" of all of Jammu & Kashmir, please check history. His father was king he stepped down from throne and he acceded to India like so many Royals did from all the Princly States.

Thanks

08:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Atulsnischal

Hi Deepak,

What politician are you talking about, he is the KING of all Jammu & Kashmir for gods sake. Please check the history of the state.

Atulsnischal 08:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Dr Karan Singh The would be "Maharaja / king" of all of Jammu & Kashmir

So you mean to say Karan Singh is the would be Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir?! Nevermind, the very purpose of the See also section is to provide links to readers to articles on other topics related to the concerned topic. I just don't understand why would a person who would like to gain some information regarding J&K will go to an article on Karan Singh? Besides, so what if he belongs to a royal family? --Incman|वार्ता 08:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haha.. KING of Jammu and Kashmir.. the last thing I want to know is that India is a monarchy. LOL! --Incman|वार्ता 08:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Deepak

Some people still respect him on all 3 sides of the Borders of J&K, he may someday help people to come together and reach some understanding, atleast he can do some good on his own, he has a historical connection to this disputed land and its people, we can atleast provide a link to people for an important chapter in the history of J&K and a very important personality of the state.

Thats all, I was just thinking the best for the people of J&K, I am not here to fight with you, please rethink and revert

Best wishes

Atulsnischal 09:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I know that Mr. Karan Singh has a great personality and is a good man but you have to understand the rules of Wikipedia. Adding a link to Karan Singh defeats the very purpose of the See also section and would result in a decline of Wikipedia's overall credibility. I hope you understand the problem and I would like to express my apologies for my earlier argumentative tone. Thanks --Incman|वार्ता 09:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, at the same time you must realize that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and therefore not the right mean for all this. --Incman|वार्ता 09:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Atulsnischal, if you continue with your stubborn attitude, I will have to take up the matter to a Wikipedia administrator or Arbcom. --Incman|वार्ता 19:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Deepak

You seem to be obssed with the Jammu and Kashmir article on Wikipedia, anybody can make it out, you have got stuck and are going on and on about it, you dont respect other peoples viws too, as for me I think there should be a link to Dr Karan Singh's article here, which was just a stub, so I was trying to develop it, thats all, you are playing politics over the whole issue, please think with informational and historical point of view.....

I have also copyed this discussion with you in the Jammu and Kashmir as well as Dr Karan Singh's discussion page, just for the record that Dr Karan Singh article was discussed, as it is a legitimate discussion.

If you get time later please help in developing Dr Karan Singh's article on Wikipedia too.

Just for info only as you seem interested: Latest News on Kashmir topic today: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/05/pakistan-kashmir.html?ref=rss

Thanks Cheers

Atulsnischal 20:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I am obsessed with the article on J&K. As a matter of fact, a good chunk of that article is written by me (including the History section). And before calling me inconsiderate, look at yourself! Have you analyzed my arguments above in a logical way? You say: "Some people still respect him on all 3 sides of the Borders of J&K, he may someday help people to come together and reach some understanding, atleast he can do some good on his own, he has a historical connection to this disputed land and its people, we can atleast provide a link to people for an important chapter in the history of J&K and a very important personality of the state." Hello! This is an encyclopedia. Not a propaganda website. Anyways, I find this discussion a waste of time and unintellectual. So I won't take part in it anymore as I have better things to do. --Incman|वार्ता 20:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

December 2006: Latest comments of Pakistan over Kashmir “The Kashmir puzzle”

"The Kashmir puzzle"

THE HINDU

Online edition of India's National Newspaper

Thursday, Dec 14, 2006

Opinion - Letters to the Editor

This refers to the editorial "Clues to Kashmir peace puzzle" (Dec. 13). Pakistan Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam's statement that her country has never claimed Kashmir as an integral part of its territory is a pleasant surprise. She has buttressed her assertion, saying Pakistan-held Kashmir has its own president and prime minister. It is clear that there is a paradigm shift in Pakistan's stand on Kashmir. If it indeed has no territorial design in Kashmir, it should leave the issue to the Kashmiris and stop fighting on their behalf. K.V. Seetharamaiah, Hassan

Ms. Aslam's remarks vindicate New Delhi's stand that Kashmir is an integral part of India. One feels that the latest statements by President Pervez Musharraf and his Government are effective catalysts for a change. K.S. Thampi, Chennai

By stating openly that it has never claimed Kashmir as its integral part, Pakistan has only reiterated the legal position. The Indian Independence Act 1947 gave the princely states the right to choose between India and Pakistan. Jammu and Kashmir became an irrevocable part of India once Hari Singh signed the Instrument of Accession to India. It is an open secret that Pakistan's relations with India have been closely linked to its fixation on Kashmir. When all is said and done, Pakistan's latest statement is welcome, as it is likely to take the neighbours closer to solving the peace puzzle. A. Paramesham, New Delhi

A week ago, Gen. Musharraf said Pakistan was willing to give up its claim to Kashmir if India accepted his "four-point solution." Why should he offer to give up the claim over something his country never claimed in the first place, using a non-existent thing to negotiate? "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive!" (Sir Walter Scott, Marmion) S.P. Sundaram, Chennai

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/05/pakistan-kashmir.html?ref=rss

Now that Gen. Musharraf has clarified Pakistan's stand on Kashmir, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should seize the opportunity to settle the issue once and for all. The BJP should not be a stumbling block to the negotiations. M.N. Srinivasan, Vellore

Statements emanating from Pakistan are intended to pressure India in two ways. While they will invoke the wrath of those who favour self-rule for Kashmir, India will be forced to negotiate the Kashmir issue more seriously on bilateral and multilateral forums. The Government should respond with a strong message. Rajeev Ranjan Dwivedi, Dhenkanal, Orissa

Pakistan's latest statement is superficial and bears no significance. It should not be seen as a shift in its Kashmir policy. It is an attempt to mislead the world until the tide turns in Gen. Musharraf's favour. With India set to sign a nuclear deal with the U.S., Pakistan wants to gain some ground and win credibility in American circles. Had Gen. Musharraf really believed that the people of Kashmir should decide their fate, he would have ended cross-border terror by now. Shashikant Singh, Roorkee

Source: The Hindu Date:14/12/2006 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/12/14/stories/2006121404131000.htm Atulsnischal 12:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Karan Singh, Royal family of Jammu and Kashmir

Hi, Karan Singh is from Kashmir Royal family, see the Royal family stub, he would have been actually the current Maharaja / Emperor of all Jammu and Kashmir if his father had not acceded to India. Wife is actually the princess of Nepal and children are princes and princesses of Kashmir to those who care for their royal family, no point removing all reference that this is the Royal family of disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir, also see Kashmir. Atulsnischal 00:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there are enough people who care articles will have been written about them in reliable sources such as national or regional newspapers. In that case they will be notable, and worthy of inclusion. Otherwise there is a presumption in favour of their privacy. Hornplease 06:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reinserted following paragraph/censored info:

"Karan Singh was born as the crown prince i.e. heir-apparent to the then ruler of the state of Jammu and Kashmir Maharaja Hari Singh, in the royal family of Jammu and Kashmir. In 1956 he married princess Yasho Rajya Lakshmi (1937-) from the royal family of Nepal, the couple have two sons, Vikramaditya Singh (1964-) and Ajatshatru Singh (1966-), one daughter, Jyotsna Devi (1957-), and six grandchildren, three grandsons and three granddaughters."

Atulsnischal 23:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Major-General Shriman Rajrajeshwar Maharajadhiraj Shri Dr. Karan Singh Indar Mahindar Bahadur, Sipar-i-Sultanat (1931- ) is an Indian politician, author, diplomat and present titular Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir. He was born as the crown prince i.e. heir-apparent to the then ruler of the state of Jammu and Kashmir Maharaja Hari Singh, in the royal family of Jammu and Kashmir. He received the Padma Vibhushan in 2005.

Atulsnischal (talk) 08:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From 1967-1980, and in 1990, Karan Singh served as an MP in the Lok Sabha; since 1996, he has been an MP in the Rajya Sabha. He served as Chancellor of Banaras Hindu University, Jammu and Kashmir University, and Jawaharlal Nehru University. He is an active member of several boards, organizations, and foundations, including the Author's Guild of India, the ICCR, the Auroville Foundation, the Indian Board of Wildlife, and several others.

Presently, Karan Singh is Chairman of the AICC Foreign Department.

In 1956, he married Princess Yasho Rajya Lakshmi (1937-), the granddaughter of Maharaja Sir Mohan Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana, the last Rana Prime Minister of Nepal from the Rana dynasty of Nepal^[1]. They have four children—a daughter Jyotsna and three sons, Vikramaditya and Ajatshatru and AshokRaj, and Seven grandchildren—Vivaswat, Viveka, Mriganka, Martand, Adishree,Ranvijay and Kanav.

mrigthrishna (talk) 09:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ India's 'Rajput diplomacy' in Nepal The Times of India,April 18, 2006. "Karan Singh is heir to the throne of India's former princely state of Kashmir and his wife is from Nepal's royal family"

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[1] India's 'Rajput diplomacy' in Nepal The Times of India,April 18, 2006. "Karan Singh is heir to the throne of India's former princely state of Kashmir and his wife is from Nepal's royal family"

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