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On Kanye's Legacy, comparison of article before and after recent controversy

I think I've been looking at this article maybe weekly, monthly, I am not sure, for something like 10 years. So I am well aware of not only how this article had developed, but also how it has done so in reaction to Kanye's personal development in his career. Before I decided to write this I did some research to see if I could justify writing this sort of comment here, because from what I would personally consider a levelheaded estimation, Kanye did spout outrageous antisemitic speech on Twitter, Instagram, Lex Fridman's Podcast, Gavin McGinnis's interview, Drink Champs, Piers Morgan, etc.. And that does tremendously change the way people at large will perceive him. That being said, I want to make the claim that the article should not have undergone such drastic changes in sections regarding his reputation and legacy. I made sure to look at wikipedia's policy regarding neutral point of view and especially artistic reputation:

Describing aesthetic opinions and reputations:

The Starry Night — good painting or bad painting? That's not for us to decide, but we note what others say. Wikipedia articles about art and other creative topics (e.g., musicians, actors, books, etc.) have a tendency to become effusive. This is out of place in an encyclopedia. Aesthetic opinions are diverse and subjective—we might not all agree about who the world's greatest soprano is. However, it is appropriate to note how an artist or a work has been received by prominent experts and the general public. For instance, the article on Shakespeare should note that he is widely considered one of the greatest authors in the English language. More generally, it is sometimes permissible to note an article subject's reputation when that reputation is widespread and informative to readers. Articles on creative works should provide an overview of their common interpretations, preferably with citations to experts holding those interpretations. Verifiable public and scholarly critiques provide a useful context for works of art.

Now I've seen some comments here in the talk page regarding Kanye's reputation as a musician that for lack of a better term I'd characterize as simply uninformed at best. The concern then is that the article is no longer corresponding to a wikipedia maxim:

Wikipedia has an important policy: roughly stated, you should write articles without bias, representing all views fairly.—Larry Sanger'

It comes off as punitive to retroactively consider all those previous assertions and pieces of content, such as saying considered he's one of the most influential musicians of his generation and in the hip hop genre, or the fact that the musical influence section has lost a quote or picture, can't quite remember which right now but it looks emaciated compared to how it was before. I also think it's funny how on the revision history page you can go back bit, set it to 250, and half the page is 6 months worth of edits in 2022, and then all of a sudden you have something like 700 edits for mid October to December. Clearly there is controversy, but a neutral point of view based on what happened and how it may change who Kanye is and  was considered to be I do not believe merits such drastic change so quickly. Such quick changes of such big assertions based on some reasoning such as: it being merely a matter of opinion as to whether Kanye is really one of the most influential musicians in his generation or not, give off the impression that Wikipedia is a reflection of editors whims and not so much "the general public and prominent experts," who do not change their opinion in mere weeks, much less about someones talent or ability due to comments that lie outside the scope of their talent or ability. Bobby Fischer being an antisemite did not negate the fact that he was considered one of the best Chess players of his generation. 

As for justifying the inclusion of Kanye being considered "one of the most influential..." and such other "bombastic" sounding sentences, I can attest personally, and I know this doesn't "count" for wikipedia but as someone who went to high school in America in the 2010's, went to several different universities in America in the 2020's, Kanye at one point started being considered a "genius" and then by say 2020 anyone and everyone I knew under the age of 30, and many older, who had some interest in fashion, culture, and music would concede to some extraordinary estimation of Kanye and his work. Whether that be the fact he is prolific, that his music incorporates such diverse elements and influences, or that he clearly demonstrated an aesthetic sensibility and ambition through his music, fashion, live shows, and album rollouts, it was in the many social circles I traversed, from religious, conservative, and white, to black, latino, urban, college educated, the consensus that he was a phenomenon like the Beatles in respect to acclaim and prolific output, and like Michael Jackson in spectacle and cultish fascination with his personal mythology.

As for the world outside, I could easily find and source quotes from Trump, Obama, Elon Musk, Dave Chappelle, David Lynch, Werner Herzog, Mike Tyson, Paul McCartney, Lou Reed, Elton John, Kendrick Lamar, Nick Cave, Trent Reznor, Billy Corgan, Noel Gallagher, Beck, Drake, Taylor Swift, Lorde, Rihanna, Lana Del Ray, Charli XCX, Grimes, Jay-Z, John Mayer, Dame Dash, Lil Wayne, Halsey, Katy Perry, T.I., Childish Gambino, Chance the Rapper, Travis Scott, JPEGMafia, Danny Brown, Vince Staples, Travis Barker, Piers Morgan, Lex Fridman, Joe Rogan, Jimmy Kimmel, Martin Shkreli, Jordan Peterson, Zane Lowe, Jonah Hill... if you want cultural figures from the very top in politics, business, the broader entertainment industry, the podcast circuit today, and the music industry from the last 50 years. I even excluded people who were merely reserved in their praise, like Prince who merely liked gold digger as a sample, or Rakim who says he is passionate. These people's praise on the record ranges from "He is a great artist" to "He is a genius" and the latter sentiment is not exceptional among them. If you know anything about the culture that goes on in the music industry as far as criticism goes, there was once Pitchfork and now there is Anthony Fantano, and before that there was Christgau and Lester Bangs. Lester Bangs didn't live to see Kanye, but pretty much the only artist I can think of that Pitchfork has given a 10, Fantano has given a 10, and Christgau has given full marks, is Kanye West. If some other rapper like Lil Uzi started calling themselves Steve Jobs and saying they're a genius I would not think such praise from such an illustrious crowd and the wider public at large would resonate. Just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean it is not a state of affairs that has been consistent and consensus. If Kanye does not meet barometer that merits some language reflecting this in his lead then I really struggle to see why Kendrick Lamar, Jay-Z, the Beatles, Frank Ocean, Brian Wilson, Stevie Wonder, or really any artist with a lead including something about their influence or "genius" reputation is merited. Sluicemen (talk) 19:50, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

See this thread for reasons why such language has been removed from the lead section. As you correctly conclude, personal anecdotes have no bearing on content. It may be true that many celebrities have spoken highly of West, but without reliable sources noting that he has been "described by many as a genius" or whatever, such language would be in violation of WP:SYNTH. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 12:29, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Quoting Larry Sanger is pretty much an instant disqualifier. Zaathras (talk) 16:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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Update for spouse. Kanye’s new spouse is Bianca Censori as of January 12th, 2023 50.43.137.34 (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:58, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing and marriage to Bianca Censori

If a reliable source cites an unreliable source, does that confer reliability? Real sources like Forbes and MSN have picked this up, but they still call back to the original TMZ report. Zaathras (talk) 16:44, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I added "unofficially" to the article because TMZ admitted there was no evidence of a marriage license (yet) but that they had a ceremony where rings were exchanged, wedding rings which can be seen in photos. I trust Vanity Fair because they are a Condé Nast publication. Trillfendi (talk) 21:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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KANYE’S LEGAL NAME IS NOW YE. AND HE IS MARRIED TO Bianca Censori..? 2601:19C:4A09:5927:999E:3929:38C4:48E4 (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Add Bianca Censori as a spouse

Whether legally married or not, she is a spouse. 2A02:C7C:582C:A100:5C8:202D:2AA0:BC66 (talk) 13:25, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding it to the infobox gets my vote. They are already publishing articles about what his ex wife things of the ordeal. Twillisjr (talk) 21:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Proposal: Instead of "spouse", add her as his "partner". AFAIK, spouse is reserved for persons who are legally married, while partner is acceptable for a wider range of relationships. Mgasparin (talk) 02:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Don't add her to the infobox at all. She is as of today not independently notable. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree; we need clairification, not rumors, before adding to infobox. I hid her name the other day until we know the facts as editors. Trillfendi (talk) 00:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Nazism

Kanye west is not a nazi he literally said everyone has value and said that if people think Hes a nazi then fine Hes a nazi not to mention he apologized and even attended a Jewish church afterwards and said he loved all and in other interviews said he wishes he could give every jewish person he hurt a hug but of course you guys never add that in this is why myself and the rest of the world don’t trust you guys. Tell the whole truth not a half truth that fits your narrative. 2601:14E:80:46D0:0:0:0:89E9 (talk) 02:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources for these developments. Any relevant information can be discussed here and included if deemed due. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 13:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Why has the "Legacy" section been changed to "Musical Influence"? Has Kanye's influence across various mediums all of a sudden disappeared? Quite frankly, this is a disgrace to this entire site - the biased personal opinions of certain (easily offended) members of Wikipedia shouldn't impact a legendary figure's page to this extent. It needs to be changed back. Weare1013 (talk) 07:13, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It's really not that deep...

Meeepmep changed it over a month ago citing the reason that the subject isn't dead. I agree, given the latter reason and the fact the subject hasn't stopped writing/releasing music. His legacy, whatever it be, has not been written. —MelbourneStar☆^talk 07:27, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Legendary? You don't sound particularly unbiased yourself. Also, objectively speaking, "Musical influence" better sums up the contents of that section as written than a term as vague and inflated as "Legacy". You might also want to give WP:AGF a read. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 10:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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Kanye's opening section should include the sentences that have been recently removed "West is one of the most acclaimed and influential artists of the 21st century"...this statement is still true and easily verifiable. Why has this been removed? It's a factual statement that benefits the readers of Wikipedia, giving them context about Kanye's career and life. Weare1013 (talk) 07:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Talk:Kanye West/Archive 13#Removing "most influential" from the lede ~ Eejit43 (talk) 14:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Tucker Carlson interview

Ye's interview with Tucker Carlson, which was edited before broadcast, is also noteworthy, as it revealed a lot about Ye and even more about Carlson. To wit: "I prefer my kids knew Hanukkah than Kwanzaa. At least it will come with some financial engineering.” “I have visions that God gives me, just over and over, on community building and how to build these free energy, kinetic, fully kinetic energy communities.” “We’re not building the new New York skyline cockfight. That we are humble in the way that we present ourselves. We’ve got to rethink who we are as a species” and “I mean, like actors, professional actors, placed into my house to sexualize my kids.” Since it didn't make the broadcast, it's in the best interest of the public to know what was Ye said that was edited out. https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad77y/kanye-west-tucker-carlson-leaked-footage-antisemitism-fake-children Username2772 (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I think that’s a good addition. Dronebogus (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! As I said elsewhere, I think the Alex Jones interview also deserves a section, as it's when "the truth about Kanye became indisputable." (See Jim Gerghaty, "The Truth About Kanye West is Now Indisputable", National Review). https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-truth-about-kanye-west-is-now-indisputable/ Username2772 (talk) 22:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

The Tucker Carlson interview is covered at Views of Kanye West#2022. So is the Alex Jones interview. In any case, further detail on his controversial views should be added to that article rather than this one. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Alex Jones interview

Kanye's interview with Alex Jones should have a section, as it made the truth about him indisputable, as Jim Gerghaty put it. From that article: "Watching an ongoing train wreck of a man revel in saying the most abhorrent things he could imagine is spectacularly sad, but I won’t lie: I was genuinely amused by the sight of the legendarily unhinged conspiracy theorist Jones suddenly realizing that he was the sane one in the conversation" and "West has to be the most high-profile American celebrity to publicly embrace Nazis since Charles Lindbergh." https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-truth-about-kanye-west-is-now-indisputable/ Username2772 (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Already covered at Views of Kanye West. A summary of the key points is already included under Kanye West#Controversial views. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 23:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hi I think due to his behaviour lately I think it’s best if we delete his page it would be great if you would thanks 101.177.8.152 (talk) 21:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: No. We never delete articles just because of the subject's behavior. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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Ye is currently married to Bianca Censori an architect for Yeezy. 2601:2C0:4480:1520:1572:F539:8B74:3985 (talk) 08:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 08:34, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Ye’ nationality should say U.S born Australian citizen

Kayne West living in Australia to meet the family of his new wife, Aussie Yeezy designer Bianca Censori.

Kanye is a u.s born Australian citizen. & this page should report the facts … not lies.

Just as the Rupert page is riddled with inaccurate information so is this page.

Both Kenya west & Rupert Murdoch are Australian citizens/passports holders. 49.184.142.61 (talk) 08:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Visiting a country does not make you a citizen of that country. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 09:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Who is "he"?

Hi there, could you please clarify who "he" refers to in the lead? Is that Ye or Nick Fuentes?

with Nick Fuentes, a white supremacist. He later publicly praised Adolf Hitler, denied the Holocaust,[17][18] and identified as a Nazi.

Thanks. 92.4.165.90 (talk) 18:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

"He" in the last sentence is in reference to Kanye West. I don't think this requires clarification. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Grammatically, maybe. But it's such a big jump in the narrative of the lead that using the actual name to make it more obvious would not be a bad idea. 92.4.165.90 (talk) 18:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so, I think it builds up to it quite nicely (antisemitic remarks, dropped by brands, dinner with anti-Semite, Hitler comments). But I guess clarification can't hurt, so I'll replace "he" with "West". Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:45, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. 92.4.165.90 (talk) 19:55, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

White nationalist

Nick fuentes is a Christian nationalist not a white nationalist 130.88.226.4 (talk) 16:14, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

We describe Fuentes as the reliable sources describe him, not the way Fuentes describes himself. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

dumb take Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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The introduction falsely states "West has won 22 Grammy Awards" when he has in fact won 24. This can be seen plainly on grammy.com, the official website of the Grammy awards: https://www.grammy.com/artists/kanye-west/6900. Jack199er (talk) 23:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Just a simple mistake, someone forgot to edit that one while the rest of the sports where it is mentioned correctly list 24. In the future, try approaching edit requests with a little less antagonism, i.e. "falsely states". Zaathras (talk) 23:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

To add to @Zaathras, please refer to WP:GOODFAITH. Really, most people you will encounter on here are just trying their best :) No article is ever perfect, and every article can be improved. However, that does not usually mean that someone intentionally made it worse. As always, there are exceptions, but in general, we do be trying Actualcpscm (talk) 23:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Add category

Not sure if Ye counts, but shouldn’t he be in Category:Candidates in the 2024 United States presidential election? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C:701:5C20:9DD1:E7A1:721C:9ACA (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm sure nobody will see this, but it would be cool if someone could add him to Category:Rappers from Wyoming. Since the other 49 states are there. 150.250.95.240 (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

But he's not from Wyoming. I don't know what you mean by "the other 49 states are there". Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 19:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

being an anti Nazi

ye hated the nais as he said in his song flashing light as quote i hate these n**gas more than the nazis and wearing an anti nazi shirt 174.90.29.210 (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Kanye has a disturbing history of praising Hitler and Nazis. He's paid at least one settlement to an employee for praising Hitler and Nazis in a meeting. That's before he went on InfoWars and called himself a Nazi. So what are you going to believe? That he's an "anti-Nazi" because of a song lyric, or the fact that he's praised Hitler and Nazis privately for years before doing so publicly? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ – Muboshgu (talk) 16:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

This was during his bipolar episodes, not before KanyeWestDropout (talk) 22:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

It’s impossible to tell if he’s serious anymore so we just report what reliable sources say as always Dronebogus (talk) 12:16, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Website

Can someone remove kanyewest.com from the Infobox? Doesn't seem to exist currently 2600:6C56:6DF0:8150:749E:D461:934F:65A9 (talk) 11:01, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Done. Dronebogus (talk) 12:16, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't remove it because I didn't realize we should just remove these websites. My rationale was that it may only temporarily be down. But I understand why we should just remove it anyway. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 12:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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Link Common (rapper) in the sub-section Business ventures, in the sentence "West, alongside then-unknown Ohio singer John Legend and fellow Chicago rapper Common were the label's inaugural artists." TheCorvetteZR1^{(The Garage)} 22:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:28, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Late Orchestration is an Album and as such, should be labeled as an album in his discography.

LO is an album and should be labeled as Kanye released it in 2006, 100,000 copies were sold in the UK, there is also a Wikipedia page for this album also. https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Late_Orchestration NapCraftin (talk) 23:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

No. When Discographies appear on a biographical article, e.g. Kanye West#Discography, it is not meant to be an exhaustive list of all releases, but is generally confined to full-length studio albums only, for brevity. That is why there's a link there to the complete Kanye West albums discography provided. Zaathras (talk) 23:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Spouse is incorrect 74.213.207.88 (talk) 13:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

How so?$chnauzer 14:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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Wife currently: Bianca Censori

Have his new wife added to the spouse section 2601:197:B80:E80:84E4:F7C7:5179:90C9 (talk) 01:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DreamRimmer (talk) 01:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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Add spouse Bianca Censori 71.12.211.253 (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. See Talk:Kanye West/Archive 14#Add Bianca Censori as a spouse. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

"nazi"

the "kanye identified as a nazi" part should be edited, as no point in time did kanye self proclaim himself as a nazi, nor did he directly support their ideology. Dfghjdj (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

There are two reliable sources there saying that he did exactly that. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:14, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

He literally called himself a Nazi. Did you forget? It was only seven months ago. Here's a source. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Spouse

After he divorced Kim Kardashian, Kanye remarried to Bianca Censori. Should she not be considered on his spouses section? Pvpboy92 (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Pvpboy92, do you have a reliable source that says that they are married? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:38, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2023/01/kanye-west-married-bianca-censori-yeezy-designer-architect-kim-kardashian-divorce Pvpboy92 (talk) 23:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

they have yet to file a marriage certificate to make things official. They aren't married, and tabloid media spinning it that way doesn't make it so. They're engaged at most. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 09:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding instagram apology

Should we add his "recent" apology on Instagram? Seems like kind of a big event for the community anyway. Could be added at the tail end of the article. NezzNH (talk) 09:36, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:Kanye West#Append 'Controversial Opinions' to include recent instagram post. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 11:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Bianca

Bianca should be added as a partner in Kanye's quick facts because they are married, although not legally, and she may even be pregnant with his child. 2600:1700:7E31:4510:EDBB:303F:2034:BC1C (talk) 16:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

You can't be not legally married. Marriage is a legal concept. See also various discussions about this above. Any reliable sources for the last claim? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:36, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Append 'Controversial Opinions' to include recent instagram post

He currently has only one post on his instagram: the 21 Jump Street movie poster with a caption reading

"Watching Jonah Hill in 21 Jump street made me like Jewish people again

No one should take anger against one or two individuals and transform that into hatred towards millions of innocent people

No Christian can be labeled antisemite knowing Jesus is Jew

Thank you Jonah Hill I love you" [1]

As far as I'm aware, as of March 25 2023 this is his most current opinion. I feel a mention of it is appropriate to add. Adding this to the talk page because this was added then reverted by @Zaathras:. GuessAndCheck (talk) 01:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Like Trump, not every word that drips-drip-drips from Kanye's mouth is noteworthy. Zaathras (talk) 03:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

That's very fair. Definitely a non-zero chance he'll delete that and post nazi stuff tomorrow because he watched a bad Adam Sandler Movie. GuessAndCheck (talk) 04:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I find it wrong to say such a thing when the same could be said about Mr. West's horrid anti-semetic comments. In fact, that has happened when he watched 21 Jump Street. (Thank you Jonah Hill for saving rap.) The Radioactive Box (talk) 02:15, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

West declaring that a movie changed his mind about Jews on Instagram doesn't quite weigh as heavy as having a private, year-long history of sympathizing with Hitler, followed by a public, month-long, antisemitic tirade that had massive (and unprecedented) ramifications for his career and resulted in a measurable increase in antisemitic hate crimes. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 07:36, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Still think it should be mentioned, as said it is his most recent opinion so these should at least be a small notice mentioning the Instagram post. Just because it doesn't weigh as heavy doesn't mean it's not accurate information about what we can assume are West's current beliefs Raguzz (talk) 19:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is limited in that it does not cover everything, even if verifiable. My point is that all of the rhetoric that preceded his "enlightenment" (if that's what you want to call that ridiculous Instagram post) completely outweighs the latter. Go ahead and add it to Views of Kanye West if you must; I don't yet see a justification to include it here until there is some sort of significant elaboration on how his views about Jews have changed. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Name change - Ye

His legal name is, Ye. Why is the article still Kanye? Elliot Page wiki was changed, as well as others. Why not Ye? AOC2044 (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Consensus is to keep "Kanye West". See Talk:Kanye West/Archive 10#Name change?. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Unbanning on Twitter

On july 29th twitter under orders by elon musk unbanned kanye omari west's account, thus i think this should be added 156.195.232.101 (talk) 17:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done.Cortador (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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The person who kanye is it is no longer kim kardashian DGoyeneche (talk) 01:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What? Cannolis (talk) 01:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Change Adidas Yeezy to Yeezy LLC

If someone can change Adidas Yeezy in the introduction part of the organizations section to Yeezy LLC (no page made yet) that would be great. Adidas Yeezy was the collab between Ye and Adidas. Yeezy LLC is Kanye's very own company and should be on his wiki page. Thank you PolishGeico (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, the section doesn't discuss the standalone company, so that wouldn't make much sense. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Well the section says Yeezy (formerly), should be an easy change to just say Yeezy LLC and then you can put like a footnote or something just like how Ye has (a) attached to it. PolishGeico (talk) 00:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

It refers to the Adidas collaboration, which, while sharing the same name, is a completely different thing. If you'd like to add information about the standalone company, it can be linked of course. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 10:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes I would like to do that if that's possible, how do I get approved to edit? PolishGeico (talk) 19:44, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

If you're unable to edit the article directly, you can make an edit request by clicking the 'edit' button on the article page and following the instructions at the top. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 03:17, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Entire discography in lead section

The lead section of this persons biography should be a summary of who he is. Presently are presenting almost his entire body of work in the lead section. This is not the case for popular musical artists such as Paul McCartney, Jay-z, or George Strait. I suggest we keep his body of work in the appropriate section and only use the lead to summarize the artist more succinctly. 2600:4041:5872:C500:B8B6:CA25:AF8B:E548 (talk) 15:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I tend to agree. What do you suggest should be removed exactly? Everything in the first paragraph starting at Born in Atlanta...? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I think the sentence starting “With intent on starting…” and everything beyond that should be removed and reallocated to his discography and biography sections as these are superfluous details and fall under too much detail for the lead section. 2600:4041:5872:C500:F061:56A2:566E:DBC3 (talk) 21:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry that’s “with intent on pursuing” not starting. 2600:4041:5872:C500:F061:56A2:566E:DBC3 (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Removing that part while keeping the bit about the beginning of his career would look weird. It would either have to be rewritten or removed altogether. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Velatio in Fenice

• https://euro.eseuro.com/lifestyle/919617.html
• https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/breaking-kanye-west-exposes-bare-30808190
• https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/celebrities/2023/08/30/64ee852be2704e58778b45bd.html
• https://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/kanye-west-photographed-with-pants-down-in-apparent-lewd-act-as-italians-call-for-his-arrest-c-11746299

Just another scandalous low level: West dropped his pants, exposed bare bum, while girlfriend Censori kneeling before him practicing *ral six, in full view of many people, in the picturesque canals of Venice. 87.170.202.236 (talk) 06:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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I propose merging Kanye West 2024 presidential campaign into Kanye West and leaving behind a redirect. I think that the content in the campaign can easily be explained within the biographical article for the foreseeable future, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in the candidate’s main article. It is not clear whether the campaign will obtain enough note down the road to warrant its own article, but it is not useful to have a stub article at this moment. I am not opposed to a future spinning-off/re-creation of the campaign article if there later becomes sufficiently more to write about the campaign, but for now I believe the stub-article on the campaign serves no use and there is not enough to expand the article beyond what is now contained in it. I am in the process of making similar requests for some other 2024 campaign articles. SecretName101 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Update: a popular alternative proposal that is arising is to instead merge the 2020 and 2024 campaign articles into a singular article. Such an article could have a scope solely on his presidential campaigns (Presidential campaigns of Kanye West) or a broader scope covering the entirety of his political activities. So commenters, it’d be appreciated if you give stances/feedback on BOTH proposals (merging with the main biography and merging with the other campaign article). You can 1) oppose both, and stand in sole support of a stand-alone article for the 2024 campaign 2) Support either merger option (perhaps with a stated preference for one over the other) or 3) support only one of the merger options. Thank you SecretName101 (talk) 16:51, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support per rationale of SecretName101, with no prejudice against restoring the article should significant coverage of West's campaign increase enough to warrant it. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support per SecretName101 and A. Randomdude0000. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Should it become notable on its own terms, it can absolutely become its own separate article again. For now, however, it doesn't seem to be widely reported enough to merit its own page. JeffSpaceman (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• I think merging to Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign and optionally renaming that to Kanye West presidential campaigns, might be a better choice. I also disagree calling current version of 2024 campaign a stub. WikiVirusC^(talk) 15:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

  I would be okay with merging both campaign pages into Kanye West presidential campaigns. A reasonable suggestion. IMO. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

  Political career of Kanye West would be an alternative title you could use that expands the scope to his overall politics, perhaps spinning-off most or all of this main page's political positions section along with it. SecretName101 (talk) 17:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if there is much of a "career" to speak of outside of his two presidential campaigns, so I think Kanye West presidential campaigns would be the better option if contents are merged into a new article. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I also agree it might make sense to merge with his 2020 campaign page. There's a good chance there will be more developments in the coming months with his 2024 campaign, such that it will deserve more space than a small section in his overall Kanye West page. If it's just in his overall biography, it might end up being too large of a section within months, meaning we'll have to revisit this very soon. If the campaign ends up falling apart, eventually this merger into Kanye West might make sense. Glenn984 (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support, this would follow similar precedents set by Michael Bennet 2020 presidential campaign, John Hickenlooper 2020 presidential campaign, and Tim Ryan 2020 presidential campaign with the option of de-merging the article should it become necessary later down the road. --Woko Sapien (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, the campaign is an independently notable and well-sourced legal entity, with aspects that are not appropriate for inclusion in an individual biography. I would, however, support the alternate proposal to merge the two campaigns into an article along the lines of Political activities of Kanye West. BD2412 T 20:51, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support; currently coverage is insufficiently distinct from coverage of Kayne itself. Note that many sources in that article (especially the massive political positions list, which makes up most of its text) are from prior to his campaign even being announced and therefore make no mention of it, which also raises WP:SYNTH / WP:OR concerns when placed in the context of an article about his campaign. I'm not seeing anything in there that would be inappropriate for an individual biography, WP:DUE permitting; and the stuff that is undue for here (ie. synth-y implications made by using his otherwise not-very-due prior statements in the context of an article about his political campaign) is probably not due anywhere. --Aquillion (talk) 23:06, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support the merge Kanye West presidential campaigns, that is a great idea. These aren't real political campaigns, there's not much to say differently from 2020 to 2024 about his "positions" on issues and such, there will only be some slight variations regarding announcements, "endorsements" and such. Roll it all into one. Zaathras (talk) 01:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

  Support this Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 07:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support. If there's significant coverage for the topic itself as a campaign moving forward, outside of routine coverage of West's personal views, it can easily be reinstated. Lapadite (talk) 04:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support; If the campaign ends up similar to his 2020 one, then it will eventually warrant an article; in the meantime, however, it should probably be put into either its section at the Kanye West article or possibly merged into the bottom of Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign without changing the title. OfTheUsername (talk) 16:37, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support. I think this campaign will eventually be notable enough to get a separate article, just not now. Most sources are really just discussing Kanye rather than the campaign (probably because it was not officially announced) EDIT (August 11). I'd also support a merger to a Presidential campaigns of Kanye West type article. ULPS (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support Neither an exploratory committee nor Federal Election Commission filing exist as of June 2023. this isn't a presidential campaign, it is an eccentric celebrity who talked about a potential 2024 presidential campaign during his (actual but minimally-impactful) 2020 presidential campaign. The entire article is repeating coverage of his last campaign. Perhaps there will be something for a separate article in the future, but there is no sign of that now. Walt Yoder (talk) 23:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support - A pointless article given everything's based on comments made in 2020. No objections to "un-merging" if and when he makes recent comments and that there's clear notability. –Davey2010^Talk 00:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the merger as proposed, but would support a merger of West's campaigns into a single article, like Lyndon LaRouche U.S. presidential campaigns.--Molandfreak (talk, contribs, email) 23:54, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Just keep it here his wiki page is pretty long already. 24.101.240.74 (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The article in its current state is not notable and broad enough to continue being a separate article. It should be merged for now, and can unmerged when/if the topic gains independent notability with adequate developments in the story.

ℛonherry☘ 11:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - This political campaign has received substantial coverage and is notable, even if it is a minor campaign compared to those coming from other parties. Even if it doesn't deserve an independent article, a merger of this article and the Kanye West 2020 presidential campaign into a single "Kanye West U.S. presidential campaigns" could be viable. AmericanBaath (talk) 05:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

  I like the idea of merging the 2024 article with the 2020 one to form "Kanye West U.S. presidential campaigns" . ℛonherry☘ 06:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

  If these are merged into something link Kanye West U.S. presidential campaigns, they can always be broken back out if the 2024 campaign turns out to be anything on the level of the 2020 campaign. BD2412 T 16:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Definitely would be better merged. Professor Penguino (talk) 04:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Support Politicdude (talk) 17:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, I stand with everything BD2412 said. shelovesneo (talk) 13:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

  @Shelovesneo: just for clarity, you do literally mean EVERYTHING they said, including that you would also support the alternative proposal of merging the two presidential campaign articles into a singular article (separate from the main biographic article), correct? SecretName101 (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Just for a bit of commentary, it appears the primary two camps are those that support a merge point blank, and those who would only support a merge if it were with the 2020 presidential campaign article (but stand opposed to merging it with the biography article). There appears to also be a minority camp (at a cursory look, two contributors) who either point-blank oppose any merger (or who at least voiced opposition to the primary proposal without commenting on the alternative proposal). SecretName101 (talk) 16:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose merging with Kanye West, but a strong support for merging the presidential campaign articles together. I think Kanye West presidential campaigns would work well enough, but I'm a big fan of BD2412's broader "Political activities of Kanye West" suggestion. That gives us some future-proofing, and we can always break the article out down the line if needed. Sock (tock talk) 13:34, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose merger into Kanye West, but support Political activities of Kanye West. I echo the reasoning from above. This new article can cover everything he's done politically, and I think frankly he has become much more than a rapper, even if it's for morally the wrong reasons. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

casualdejekyll 20:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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