Talk:Kansas City Chiefs name controversy

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Who copied who?

@CommanderWaterford: Comparing the text in this article with that on "BUCS!" I am quite certain that the duplication of text is going the other way, the website copied Wikipedia. Although this is a newly created article, it was done by splitting content from a section in the too large Native American mascot controversy where it has existed since 2014, when the articles I cite from the Kansas City Star were written.

I have been editing the articles in this controversy since 2007, and have subsequently found my exact wording in news articles without attribution. I had to keep this as a private compliment to me that a journalist being paid to write did not feel the need to improve my prose.

I assume that a bot run on many older articles would find such duplications, and tag them as copyright violations. As an editor, I only feel responsible to remedy too close paraphrasing of the sources I actually cite. This has happened only once in my 14 years of editing, pointed out by a human editor, and I quickly rephrase to her satisfaction.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A week since the tag with no further comment, I am removing it.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 19:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You should include a comprehensive list of all corporate sponsors of this racist offensive kc football team 38.15.54.90 (talk) 20:35, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a productive comment. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 20:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup and assessment

After doing needed editing, I have removed the maintenance tag and reassessed the article as "C" regarding the Indigenous peoples and Discrimination projects; but changed the class to unassessed regarding the NFL.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 03:50, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discrimination sidebar

I believe we should restore the sidebar on discrimination. All of the mascot articles have it and this should not be the exception. The discrimination sidebar links to the Native American mascot controversy page in reference to Native American mascots. The main mascot page is a topic umbrella. It is clearly referring to the same subject. It even references this specific page in the article. If we need to enumerate in a more specific way to keep the link/sidebar, we can, though I am concerned it could make the sidebar less efficient. The Chiefs are a Native American mascot, so it naturally could be represented by a link to the Native American mascot controversy page and especially so because that specific mascot is on that page.

Now as to the discussion of discrimination, Native American mascots, including the Chiefs, are discussed as “discrimination” or “discriminatory” in many reliable sources including, but not limited to the New York Times,^[1] the Washington Post,^[2] and The Nation.^[3] Likewise, there are many reliable sources that use the word racism in the context of the Chiefs mascot, including but not limited to Reuters,^[4] USA Today,^[5] PBS,^[6] and The Guardian.^[7] -TenorTwelve (talk) 11:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC) TenorTwelve (talk) 11:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Response to changes by other teams section

The two paragraphs in this section appear to rather similar. It seems as though the 2020 ban on NA paraphernalia should be mentioned just once for style purposes. 47.154.110.10 (talk) 21:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

truly naming controversy or mascot/style controversy?

Wiktionary:chief says the word 'chief' is traced to proto-Indo-European in the current form (French & English) dating to 13th century Europe in its meaning as a leader, such as of European tribes/clans. Native Americans have their own (quite different) equivalent words (you can see in a Wikipedia article about the topic). So, is this truly even a naming controversy rather than one of mascot/style (possibly motions, specific colour paints, whatever else)? There'd be zero controversy if the team, for example, had the mascot be an ancient-/Mediaeval-style Pictish/Scottish tribe/clan chief (whom historically may have had some similar weapons, but some wore different colour paint), etc., so there seems no justifiable reason to ask them to change name, just mascot/style.--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 13:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still think they should just put a picture of H Roe Bartle on the helmets and see what happens. :)Naraht (talk) 15:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/sports/football/chiefs-indians-mascot-names.html

[2] ttps://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/02/05/chiefs-name-tomahawk-chop-super-bowl-social-justice/

[3] ttps://www.thenation.com/article/society/defeat-kansas-city-chiefs/tnamp/

[4] ttps://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/indigenous-activists-protest-kc-chiefs-name-tomahawk-chop-2023-02-12/

[5] ttps://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2023/02/10/native-activists-kansas-city-chiefs-name-mascot-change/11227316002/

[6] ttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/arts/native-americans-brace-for-racist-traditions-after-chiefs-super-bowl-win

[7] ttps://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/13/protesters-demand-kansas-city-chiefs-drop-name

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