Talk:K-23 (Kansas highway)

K-23 (Kansas highway) has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: November 15, 2020. (Reviewed version).

A fact from K-23 (Kansas highway) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 December 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Kansas highway K-23 is known as Main Street in Cimarron, Dighton, and Hoxie?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/K-23 (Kansas highway).

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:K-23 (Kansas highway)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Floydian (talk · contribs) 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I am Floydian and I will be your waiter on this fine occasion. I've listed my concerns below, which you can chose to respond to individually, or as a group at the bottom. Overall the article is in great shape, and I only have a few issues and suggestions for your attention. Cheers, Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review

Lede

"By Grainfield, the section that follows old US-40 is the former Golden Belt. A section from Hoxie southward along K-23 follows the former Roosevelt National Highway. Farther north in Hoxie, it crosses the former Kansas White Way and former Blue Line" - The Golden Belt, Kansas White Way and former Blue Line aren't explained or given much context. These three sentences are repeated verbatim in the History section, so perhaps that is the better to place to expand a little on what they are.

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD

- Issues resolved

"K-23 is not included in the National Highway System,[3] a system of highways important to the nation's defense, economy, and mobility.[4] K-27 does connect to the National Highway System at its junction with US-54 and US-160 in Meade, US-50 and US-400 in Cimarron, I-70 and US-40 by Grainfield, and its northern terminus at US-83 and K-383." - Not sure if K-27 is a typo here. I'd also suggest rewording that sentence, possibly along the lines of "However, it does connect to the National Highway System at..."
- Fixed 420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"About 3.2 miles (5.1 km) into Gove County it crosses the Smoky Hill River, then Plum Creek about 1.3 miles (2.1 km) later." - Sections should stand somewhat independently. You should specify what "it" is in cases like this.
- Fixed I think I got them all. 420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do you feel that the Walnut Creek branches or Hackberry Creek are worthy of an article? If not I'd suggest delinking them as with most of the other creeks mentioned in the article.
- Fixed I agree 420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The word "continues" appears 27 times in the RD. Vary it up a bit!
- Fixed I think I got this lookimg better now 420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History

- Issues resolved

"In Meade it crosses the former Atlantic and Pacific Highway." - Again, no context to "it" to begin this section. Is "it" an auto trail, or K-23?
- Fixed 420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to my note under Lede.
- Fixed I think I fixed this. 420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look at this edit; I changed "In a January 11, 1938 resolution, the overlap with K-4, west of Shields, was moved one mile (1.6 km) north." to "In a January 11, 1938 resolution, the overlap with K-4 west of Shields was moved one mile (1.6 km) north." Your mileage may vary here, but I consider what you had to be a comma splice. I get your use of them: avoiding parenthesis or representing the long stop of conversation. However, "west of shields" is not a dependent clause as it lacks a verb. There are several of these throughout the article that you should fix.
- Fixed Im pretty sure I fixed them all. 420Traveler (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Junction list

Y - Looks good

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

- Good to go

I suggest moving the link to Kansas Department of Transportation from ref #33 to ref #2. Likewise, only ref #1 need link to Rand McNally. I assume ref #18 is intentionally linked to Mr. Clason. This is not part of the GA criteria, but it will come up if you take the article to A/FA (which IMO it would do well at)
- Fixed Got it ready 420Traveler (talk) 18:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the broader scope, the formatting is consistent and clean. Nice work!

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

- Images all nominator's own work

Y File:K23_northbound_from_K96.JPG - Nominator's own work.
Y File:K23 southbound from K23 Spur.JPG - Nominator's own work.
Y File:K23 Alternate southern terminus.jpg - Nominator's own work.
Y File:K23 Alternate entering Grainfield.JPG - Nominator's own work.
Y File:K23 northbound from K23 Spur.JPG - Nominator's own work.
I'll roll under the assumption that the road shields are public domain :)

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The actual GA checklist

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

Passed - Exceeds GA criteria

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
Grammar issues resolved above
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
Excellent referencing
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Covers the route and its history comprehensively and succinctly
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Images are all properly licenced
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

I am passing the article at this point. All my concerns have been addressed. Good work! - Floydian ^τ _¢ 20:20, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 05:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article history

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~~... that K-23 (Kansas highway) was first established as K-20 in 1926, but was renumbered K-23 by 1927?~~Source: 1926 Rand McNally Atlas and 1927 Rand McNally Atlas

Improved to Good Article status by 420Traveler (talk). Self-nominated at 18:49, 20 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

...That's pretty common, isn't it? Nova Crystallis (Talk) 06:41, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was coming to say the same thing. In this timeframe, highway systems across the US were in flux because of the creation of the U.S. Highway System. What makes this highway's renumbering interesting? –Fredddie ™ 06:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good I agree to delete\not pass it. Just didnt realize it needed to be interesting, as many Ive seen passed aren't .420Traveler (talk) 14:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't saying being interesting is a requirement of DYK, but it certainly helps. A hook should make you want to click the link and read the article (this is my opinion). This hook doesn't do that. –Fredddie ™ 06:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@420Traveler:@Fredddie: Being interesting is certainly part of our criteria: see WP:DYK#Cited hook a. The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience.
Here is a suggested angle:
ALT1: ... that Kansas highway K-23 is known as Main Street in Cimarron, Dighton, and Hoxie?
If you like this alt, each sentence mentioned in the hook needs an inline cite per WP:DYK#Cited hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: I do like that one. I added the citations, they may be in the wrong place but I'm new to DYK. Thanks -420Traveler (talk) 00:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. They belong in the article, not the hook, so I moved them to the article. ALT1 is ready for review. Yoninah (talk) 00:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1. For some reason I'm unable to access ksdot.org, but the references are in place and verified by two others. Well done finding an interesting hook, I wasn't able to myself. CMD (talk) 07:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, CMD These cites are maps which I was able to access and confirm that K-23 enters and exits the cities under its route number but is labeled as Main Street within the city. Yoninah (talk) 11:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]