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Something here about the term "Judea and Samaria" might be misunderstood. - The definition "Judea and Samaria Area" is a valid one, BUT depending on the context: I think the English wiki just have failed to make clear the distinction between the various uses of the coin "Judea and Samaria" across the field of Israeli rule in the West Bank, which may count four principal agents: The Army, The Government, The Police, and the Settlers' leadership. When it comes to the Israel Police's jurisdiction the area's name is "Samaria-Judea District" (מחוז ש"י, "Mehoz SY"), when it's about the Israeli Army (who has the major everyday presence on that ground) it is "Judea and Samaria Area" (acronymed איו"ש, "AYoS"). When for statistical needs and administration of the Jewish population, the area is officially referred to as Judea and Samaria District - "Mehoz Yehuda veShomron", alike with "Mehoz Tel-Aviv" and "Mehoz Heyfa" etc (See reference). Add to that the fact that in casual tongue among a wide circle in Israel Judea and Samaria is preferred as to describe the actual geographic region rather than the hostile-resonating "West Bank". 31.210.179.35 (talk) 03:22, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

First: what exactly is the difference between the two Hebrew nouns מחוז (mehoz) and אזור (ezor) according to you? and second: why does the Israeli government not call Judea and Samaria a district but an area in its statistics for instance here? and third: do you have any references for the distinctions you make? and forth: what's “hostile-resonating [about] ‘West Bank’”? Ajnem (talk) 12:47, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
As said, and as backed in the data both given by me above and linguistically accurate to most measures of observation, "Judea and Samaria" is regarded in the Israeli jurisdictive system as one of seven Districts of Israel, where "Mehoz Yehuda veShomron" encompasses the illegally planted Israeli settlements in the West Bank and is referred to as an "extra" district that is, we have 6 districts plus one which is irregularly administered. The Army calls it an "area". Therefore when you want to behold the area of the West Bank from a geographical angle you title it West Bank, and when you want to write about the Israeli civil definition you title it Judea and Samaria District. 94.230.87.146 (talk) 23:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Dates?

"This article refers the Israeli administrative area", but I find hard time finding any references to this administration, in status it says its under military control, but see also links to Israeli Civil Administration that operates in this area since 1981? also there are several Administrative regions as of?, thanks.--Mor2 (talk) 22:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be a redirect to West Bank

This section is now located at Talk:West Bank#Merge with Judea and Samaria Area

In the lead the article claims that it is about "the official Israeli term corresponding to the territory usually referred to as the West Bank, but excluding East Jerusalem.[1]". But Wikipedia is not a dictionary so why have we created an article for the official Israeli terminology for part of the West Bank. Relevant material should be covered in West Bank article, e.g. administration of the West Bank. Dlv999 (talk) 08:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

because it is not just a "term" - it is a geo-political entity - an Israeli administrative division, with its own organs etc... They think it's all over (talk) 01:05, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
I guess sort of like the difference between the Palestinian territories and the State of Palestine. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:10, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Vast majority of sources do not hold "Judea and Samaria" to be a "geopolitical entity" they view it as occupied Palestinian Territory under Israeli military occupation. TTIAO comment shows the problem with the article: it is a POV fork of an extreme3 minority position on part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. Dlv999 (talk) 10:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Trying to be an encyclopedia, omitting "West Bank" is a fault.

Trying to be an encyclopedia, omitting "West Bank" is a fault. -DePiep (talk) 22:27, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Generally or almost universally

In the sentence "Judea and Samaria Area ... is the official Israeli term for the territory generally and almost universally known as the West Bank", I think we should pick the term "generally" or "almost universally" (or some other term), but not both. Including both is too wordy. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I think the wording is fine as it is now, which is also what the source say. Either way, I don't think it would be right to say "generally" because West Bank is the overwelmingly used term. "Judea and Samaria" is used by Israel and a few people. --IRISZOOM (talk) 10:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
How about looking at some sources ? Here's one.
  • "Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the historic biblical terms for the areas known to the rest of the world as the West Bank and Gaza." Media and Political Conflict, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-0521580458, p. 82
There are probably many. Sean.hoyland - talk 16:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, and how does that dispute what I am saying? When talking about the West Bank and not a specific historial region, it's referred to as that, except for Israel and some others who use the biblical terms. --IRISZOOM (talk) 01:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't. It's evidence. One sample. Discussing content without citing sources is pointless. Sean.hoyland - talk 16:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
The claim is from the source used. We can't change that, as Dlv999 explains. The source you are referring to says the same. If someone doesn't agree, they should explain why and cite sources instead of just say that we should chose between one of the two wordings, because I see no basis for the change. I have talked about the wording here and pointed out that removal changes the meaning and doesn't represent the source. --IRISZOOM (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
We are free to change anything we want, text, sources, anything, as long as the changes comply with policy, we have "a text that is consistent with the sources" exactly as Dlv999 describes and it's an actual improvement. Bear in mind that, strictly speaking, no one has demonstrated that the current source or the one I cited is representative of a large sample of sources that discuss this issue, so the amount of confidence that should be had in the current statement complying with policy is technically not much more than zero, pretty much the opposite of "We can't change that". In this case it probably doesn't matter because there is nothing at all contentious about what the article says, but often in this topic area, being wedded to one or two sources is not a good idea. Having said all that, making a change that makes the article less consistent with the source(s) strikes me as not even worth discussing. That should never happen. There is, as you say, "no basis for the change". Sean.hoyland - talk 10:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, you are correct in this. --IRISZOOM (talk) 14:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I also want to know why Shalom11111 removed "but from "but excluding East Jerusalem". He explained his edit by saying that this was "suggested at the talk page" but this part wasn't. It is important to include "but" because this distinction is needed as Israel's view of the West Bank is not the same as the rest of the world (Israel makes a dinstiction between that and East Jerusalem, the world doesn't). --IRISZOOM (talk) 05:30, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Wow, why are you so paranoid about my edits? I agreed with what "Emmette Hernandez Coleman" suggested, to leave either the "generally" or the "almost universally", so I did it. The "but" was removed because I think it sounds grammatically better this way. It has the same meaning, in case you didn't know. Anyway, you shouldn't be telling editors anything about grammatical edits they make, as your understanding of it appears to be substandard [1] IRISZOOM: "it just that you doesn't want too se what happened to Arabs". -Shalom11111 (talk) 08:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
You keep continuing with your personal attacks. I am not "paranoid" and I haven't talked about "grammatical edits". I specifially talked about the distinction. The "but" should stay because it better reflects this. --IRISZOOM (talk) 09:12, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
  • If sources state that the territory is "generally and almost universally" known as the West Bank or that "the rest of the world" know it as the West Bank, we should have a text that is consistent with the sources. I don't think a style issue like saying something is "too wordy" is a good reason not to accurately represent what the sources say. Dlv999 (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. We can't pick and choose. I have reverted this now. If we are going to change the lead, this must be cited and accurately reflected, as discussed here.
On another note, I just noticed that the quote above got "is it" cut off, which made it look worse than it was, and that Shalom11111 himself had made a mistake. This show that everyone makes mistakes and we should focus on the articles, not editors. --IRISZOOM (talk) 23:46, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
It's the meaning of the source we need to keep intact, not its wording (it's usually best to avoid a avoid a sources wording). We can word this however we want so long as the meaning is the same. If it's almost universally known as the West Bank, it by definition must be generally known as the West Bank, just as a billionaire must by definition be a millionaire.
It is rather odd that the source uses both terms like that as "generally" is a much weaker term then "almost universally", but if the "generally" is not meant to take away from the "almost universally", it's totally redundant. If the "generally" is meant to somehow dampen or partly negate the meaning of "almost universally", the source is being very very unclear as to weather or not it's almost universally known as the West Bank, and we probably shouldn't rely on it for that claim (with or without the "generally and"). Either way tough, the source supports that J&S is generally known as WB, heck that claim barely even needs a source.
There are plenty of sources out there anyway; it J&S is almost universally known as WB (it sure seams to be: "Judea and Samaria" -wikipedia "West Bank" -wikipedia) it shouldn't be too difficult to find a source that clearly says that. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

"historical names"

That isnt accurate. Judea is a historical name, Samaria is a historical name, the term Judea and Samaria however is not. The origin of the name is covered in the terminology section, but claiming that the combination is some sort of historic synonym for the area now known as the West Bank isnt true. I restored the lead as it was prior to that change. nableezy - 00:27, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

You are correct. However, the terminology section was unclear too since Eliyyahu introduced these changes in January, which I have now reverted. It gave the view that this area's name was changed by the Jordanians (who occupied it but not Israelis according to that edit too) and the sources were removed. --IRISZOOM (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

My revert

About my revert, Samaria is not the same thing as Samaria (ancient city), or as Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) whose capitol was Samaria (ancient city). The Kingdom of Israel may be Samaria roughly in the sense that the USA is Washington or that Britain is London, but it is not Samaria. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:09, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

And about the main article, I added a source for J&S being the West Bank minus East Jerusalem, so West Bank is the main article. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Samaria is named for the Ancient Israel kingdom (nicknamed Samaria). It is similar to Granada being the capital of the Emirate of Granada (now roughly corresponding to the Province of Granada).
Regarding the second issue, it is a clear WP:SYNTH. It may have territorial overlapping with West Bank, but this one is an existing administrative area, while WB is a geographic area. The integrative topic of this article is Districts of Israel.Greyshark09 (talk) 08:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
The Samaria article says "The name derives from the ancient city Samaria, the capital of the Kingdom of Israel." Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) is still not Samaria. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
The source is clear that J&S comprises the West Bank minus East Jerusalem, how the heck is that WP:SYNTH. The current and long standing lead also say that J&S is the whole West Bank (minus EJ) not just Area C as you asserted, can you present RS that contradicts that. I'd need to be some pretty good RS because the source I found is the Israeli government. From the lead of this article: "Judea and Samaria Area is the official Israeli term corresponding to the territory usually referred to as the West Bank, but excluding East Jerusalem", clearly the main article for the West Bank is West Bank. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
As for West Bank, I already presented RS that J&S consists of the west bank, and is not just some overlapping territory, do you have contradictory RS? The West Bank/Judea and Samaria Area is a geographic, or more specifiably a geopolitical area, partly under Israeli administration, partly under PNA administration. The lead itself says "Judea and Samaria Area is the official Israeli term corresponding to the territory usually referred to as the West Bank" and cites RS, the main article is clearly West Bank.
As for "Samaria" vs "Kingdom of Israel" I partly stand corrected. It seems that "Kingdom of Samaria" can refer the the Kingdom, and that this article says that "Samaria [...] roughly corresponds to the territory of the ancient Kingdoms of Israel". I didn't notice that when I removed the "(Samaria)" from the caption of the map that Mor recently added. Still that sentence the northern kingdom consists roughly of Samaria really doesn't seem right, the map at Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) (aslo in this article) clearly shows the kingdom as consisting of northern Palestine, and the maps in the lead section and in the Samaria article (I recently added the map in the Samara article) clearly show Samaria as being a far narrower area then northern Palestine. Is there any RS that the kingdom roughly consists of Samaria, the lead of the Samaria says it's "roughly corresponding to the northern West Bank", and the northern West Bank, even with a "roughly", is clearly not northern Palestine.
Also why did you change the hatnote to point to Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) rather then Samaria? The "Samaria" and "Judea" described in this article are geographic regions, not long defunct kingdoms. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:56, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Agree. The two kingdoms also had areas outside the West Bank, so it is not correct to say that the area "corresponds" to the two kingdoms. --84.210.64.93 (talk) 05:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Undue weight given to the Levy Report

The Levy Report should not be mentioned here. It is a politicized report which no one except some Israelis and right-wingers took seriously. A vast majority, including the Israeli Supreme Court and others in Israel, view the area as occupied territory. There is such a big consensus in the world on this issue that mentioning it here (that no response to it is mentioned here makes it even worse) makes it WP:UNDUE. --IRISZOOM (talk) 15:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I have added a tag now. That the for example the Fourth Geneva Convention apply in the Palestinian territories have been reaffirmed many times but instead the Levy Report gets more representation here and in some other Wikipedia articles. One example is the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention Declaration in December last year. AP:

The international community delivered a stinging rebuke to Israel's settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, saying Wednesday the practice violates its responsibilities as an occupying power.
A declaration adopted by consensus among 126 of the 196 parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention insists that international humanitarian law must be followed in areas affected by the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

So it is unbalanced here. --IRISZOOM (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Flyte35, regarding your edit here, I wonder what you mean with that I should "then add a source line to indicate that". Indicate that the Levy Report wasn't accepted by the international community? --IRISZOOM (talk) 17:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, either that or simply delete the line. It's not useful to have a sentence suggesting one thing, but then indicate that the reader shouldn't pay attention to that suggestion without putting the information in context.Flyte35 (talk) 17:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I will then at least add info on how the report was received. --IRISZOOM (talk) 17:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Occupied and international community

Re this revert -

  1. Israel actually does not consider the West Bank occupied - it has chosen to treat the West Bank as if it were occupied in terms of application of military law, however the quasi-official (and I'm using this term, as Israel, as in many areas, has decided not decide or make a declaration either way) position Israeli position is that the area is not occupied as there was never a state formed in the West Bank (the Palestinians not forming one, and the Jordanian occupation seen as illegal by Israel) - terra nullius. In terms of legal jargon - Israel has internally used "the held territories" as jargon (as opposed to occupied), and this argument has been used in various forums.
  2. The US has recently stopped using the word occupied. Some have seen this as a change of policy, e.g. [2][3][4].
  3. While very clearly this position is held by most , it is not clear it is held by all - there might be an island nation or two with a diverging position.Icewhiz (talk) 14:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I believe the word many should be in there. Do we have a RS stating everyone in the international community considers it? Its too vague of a qualification to have it appear as everyone. - GalatzTalk 14:12, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Im sorry I just saw this, but how recent of a source would you like? But when a phrase the international community considers is used it does not necessarily mean every country without exception. We dont redefine what the sources say, and for the West Bank they say it is considered occupied by the international community. nableezy - 05:02, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

scope

This article is very specifically about the Israeli administrative district, and per WP:WESTBANK, specifically clause 5, requires that the use of Judea and Samaria Area specifically refer to the administrative district and not to the land itself. Finally, the citation added for the sentence Judea corresponds to part of the ancient Kingdom of Judah, also known as the Southern Kingdom does not actually address the need for that citation, namely whether does what Israel considers "Judea" as part of the West Bank actually correspond to the Kingdom of Judea (which went quite a bit further than boundaries of the Israel district). nableezy - 05:00, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

That is a misapplication of policy. You would be correct if you were talking about some random location in the West Bank or some event. However, it is entirely reasonable ti discuss the etymology ans history of the ise of Judea and Samaria in the Judea and Samaria Area article. Furthermore, discussion of antiquity, which is what you removed, uses Judea and Samaria per WESTBANK(1).Icewhiz (talk) 07:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
It is absolutely not, and this tag team edit-warring is tendentious and disruptive. This article is not about antiquity. That guideline is the result of a binding arbitration decision, and edits that violate it may be brought to AE. nableezy - 15:24, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
You also restored a source for material that it does not in any way support. Why exactly are you misrepresenting sources? Thats a pretty big deal in an encyclopedia. nableezy - 15:36, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Further, beyond the violation of WP:WESTBANK, the entirety of the material reinserted is SYNTH. Additionally, Icewhiz, you have repeatedly removed primary sources where it suited your politics, but here you are inserting the Bible as a source? nableezy - 20:59, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

And finally, as you have repeatedly written where it suited your editorial goals the onus is on those seeking to include disputed content to demonstrate a consensus for it. What part does edit-warring play in that? nableezy - 21:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Merge proposal of Enclave law

"Enclave law" (always in scare quotes in sources) is term coined by Rubenstein, and used in English, per my search, by a handful of authors - raising WP:DICTDEF / WP:NEO issues. This term is used to describe the legislation that applies in Judea and Samaria Area. As such, I suggest merging Enclave law to this article under a legislation sub-section. Icewhiz (talk) 11:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

The Enclave law article should stand alone; it is highly notable as a concept as shown by the numerous scholarly sources of the highest quality currently in the article. The term has stood the test of time, having been coined over thirty years ago, now being widely used by legal scholars.
WikiProject Law has over 40,000 articles, many of which cover individual legislation or groups or laws, and Category:Israeli law has dozens of equivalent articles. Are you proposing to merge all of these into general interest articles too?
Either way, this article (Judea and Samaria Area) is clearly not an appropriate parent for the topic, since it covers the whole area, not just the settlements where this legal system applies, and the primary scope of this article is terminology not an overall description of the area and its complexities.
Onceinawhile (talk) 12:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
There no numerous sources here. There are approx. 3-5 authors who have used this term - all in scare quotes - it far from the WP:COMMONNAME in regards to the very complex and patchwork legal regime that applies in the West Bank (or Area C of the west bank). Category:Israeli law has individual well defined pieces of legislation (or areas of legislation) - some of which apply outside of Israel - e.g. Taxation in Israel which apply to Israeli citizens/residents in the area (tax order clause, VAT legislation clause). Icewhiz (talk) 12:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
The article cites 12 authors already, and it was only created three hours ago. And that is counting the numerous authors of the widely cited ACRI report as one. How many is enough to satisfy you? 20? 100? 1000? Bear in mind that the “legal system of the Israeli occupied territories” is not exactly a mass-market subject.
As to having an article focused on a group of legislation, there are endless examples across Wikipedia; United States contract law is a particularly notable one.
Onceinawhile (talk) 12:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Any use of this outside of scare quotes? I indeed discounted mere quotes of Rubenstein - e.g. Halper, Cook, Gross (in this case using "mongrel" in scare quotes), Ben-Naftali (again - "mongrel"), ACRI (I will note ACRI's title is precise - "Israel's Regime of Laws in the West Bank" - mentioning Rubenstein's "enclaves" merely as background). Other than that, you have Sfarad - [5], [6], Peled - [7], Sher - [8] - none of these treat the subject of "enclave law" at depth - they touch on it as they discuss other topics. On United States contract law or Taxation in Israel there are multitudes of full length books and tomes. On the subject of "enclave law" - there is little use of the term, what use there is varies in terminology, and none of of these are in depth. Icewhiz (talk) 13:14, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
You haven’t answered my question. What policy-based threshold are you applying here?
As to the comparison with US law article, this is an article about Hebrew-language Israeli law. So most in depth sources are in Hebrew.
Would you like Hebrew-language sources added?
Onceinawhile (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Hebrew sources are definitely relevant, yes. I am quite conversant in this topic area of Israeli law - and I am unaware of this discussed as "enclave law". The legislative framework in the West Bank, and applicability of Israeli law (or copy-pastes to military ordinances of such laws - and I jest not on the copy-paste, as at times the ordinance can lag behind the Israeli law which was subsequently updated) in the Area is indeed a topic of discussion. Icewhiz (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
See article 11 of Eliezer Rivlin's judgement at [9] - the Hebrew equivalent of the term is used in judgements of the Supreme Court. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I specifically suggested this article - Judea and Samaria Area - as opposed to West Bank for instance - as the Area is the legal term used in Israeli verbiage - this article is already about the Israeli legal entity/administration. Icewhiz (talk) 14:25, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) This was Shrike’s comment. Very strange that he copied Icewhiz’s timestamp from his comment above. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
As I intended to support I have copied the ICEWIZ statement as template and gave my own original reason --Shrike (talk)
  • Oppose If anything Israeli settlement would be a better place, but I don't see what is wrong with it like it is. Zerotalk 14:01, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose agree with Zero that this wouldnt be the target article anyway, as this article is very specifically about an administrative district and not an area of land, but regardless of that this treated as a stand-alone topic by the sources that cover it. No real reason to merge. Dont think Israeli settlement would work either, as in the context of Israeli settlers in the West Bank they are covered by Israeli law and not the military law regardless of where in the West Bank they are, inside or outside of the Israeli colonies there. nableezy - 15:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
    In regards to Israeli law applying to Israel settlers - that's correct for the Israeli criminal code (with some minor technical wrinkles) and other laws that were extended on a personal basis (the tax code) - but is incorrect in regards to various applications of civil law and also in regards to some military ordinances (e.g. the military commander, on the basis of military law, may issue administrative deportation orders (e.g. example (Hebrew)) to Israeli citizens in the area). 15:52, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose ImTheIP (talk) 20:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Has there ever been any discussion of the ramifications coming out of the Haaretz article mentioned in a box at the head of the talkpage?:

  • Haaretz - Omer Benjakob - Judea and Samaria District? Wikipedia in Hebrew can't find the West Bank, 16 February 2018: In theory, Jewish settlements in the West Bank constitute one of Israel’s seven administrative districts. However, the so-called “Judea and Samaria District” may not actually be a district, or at least does not have the official status of one, according to a recent discovery by Hebrew Wikipedia editors."

    ←   ZScarpia   21:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Accuracy with US opinion

although the international community considers the West Bank to be a territory held by Israel under military occupation.[5]

Change to

Although part of the international community considers the West Bank to be occupied territory. Noting the Jewish communities which existed their pre-1948 also seems logical (https://embassies.gov.il/dublin/AboutIsrael/history/Pages/Judea-Samaria-.aspx#p) 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A1C0:6D40:7491:A582:A5F1:A9D0 (talk) 20:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
The Trump modification in the US view is covered elsewhere, but the statement on international community remains accurate. nableezy - 03:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Source for the UN SC resolution 242

The source for UN Security Council Resolution 242 is invalid and has odd tags. A corrected source is https://undocs.org/S/RES/242(1967). I would change it but apparently that is not allowed because it's protected. Hammy (talk) 17:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

The source is OK as is, yours is as well and I actually prefer that style myself. I think the tags are a complaint about using the source material directly rather than filtering it through a secondary. It's a bit pointless because you can just click the wikilink and go read all the gory detail there.Selfstudier (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 August 2021

The phrase "Israeli-occupied territories" should be replaced with "Israeli-liberated territories" to reduce the article's anti-Semitic bias. 2001:5B0:46E4:BE58:D8F:BC2E:A7C7:A633 (talk) 17:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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