Talk:Juan Gualberto Gómez

I just created this article

After discussing on WikiProject Cuba the fact that Afro-Cuban leader in the war of independence against Spain, Juan Gualberto Gómez, DESERVES AN ARTICLE, I created this--Juan Gualberto Gómez. That the Juan Gualberto Gómez Airport has its own article but its namesake, a Cuban founding father, did not was just weird! So I tried to rectify this.

My sources were primarily es:Juan Gualberto Gómez and the Cuban government article on him at first, then I added a lot of material from academic sources, and now I believe it is ready for GA! --NickDupree (talk) 03:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Juan Gualberto Gómez/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: upstateNYer 03:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I am currently working on my initial review. I will have comments listed as I get through the article. upstateNYer 03:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   See comments below

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

General

• Is his last name Goméz or Gualberto? (I know many hispanic names include two surnames.) Gotta know so we can sort this correctly in the WP:BIO template above. It seems you also switch between which name you used in the "Early life and travels" section.
• When referring to him, use just his last name. No use of first name is necessary unless it's a comparison to his father (e.g. Fermin and Juan...) or it's in the first sentence of the article

He doesn't have two surnames; his surname is Gómez, but you find him called "Juan Gualberto" instead of "Juan" in many RS when the full "Juan Gualberto Gómez" isn't used, I assume to ensure disambiguation with the countless other Juans and Juan Gómezes in Cuba and Latin America (maintaining a clear distinction between Juan Gualberto Gómez and fellow independence leader Máximo Gómez is also key). The "Juan Gualberto" thing was inherited from the EcuRed and Español Wikipedia backbone of the "early life" section (I really wish inline citations of español wikipedia were possible, not just a tiny es.wikipedia tag hidden away on the article Talk Page). Spanish names can get tricky. You never, ever see him referred to as Juan Gómez in any sources, English or Spanish. Just some insights I thought may be helpful. —NickDupree (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Lead

• Use references as sparingly as possible. Incorporate the referenced facts into the article body so they can be removed from the lead.
• The infobox needs to be more specific. {{Infobox person}} is too generic. Poke around the infobox world and look for one specific to revolutionary or government official and go with that. The infobox should also include more information (positions, military service, etc.).

Good to remind me about the lead: I've moved some material downstream and eliminated all refs in the lead that aren't necessary to cite quoted views of academic sources.

The infobox thing is a harder nut to crack, but I will keep looking. —NickDupree (talk) 02:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Early life and travels

• "Remarkable intelligence and quick learning" needs to be neutralized; sounds like you're hyping him up. Even if he deserves it, it's not your place to do it in an encyclopedia.

I've cut this out, it was from the Español Wikipedia —NickDupree (talk) 02:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

The independence struggle

• I'm confused what you're trying to say with this last part of one sentence: "–organs of the Spanish republicans, and other journals, such as Abolitionism." Clarify that statement.
• You need to explain who Martí is; how did he have power to appoint Gómez governor of a province?
• I feel as if "the second U.S. military intervention" must have a name. If there is one, wikilink to it.
• "and often a featured speaker"; a featured speaker of what or for what?

I've added a wikilink and a detailed footnote to explain "Spanish republicans," anti-royalists in common cause with Gómez.

Regarding José Martí, he was the "Apostle of Cuban independence," architect and leader of the Cuban Revolutionary Party, and he plotted the revolt. In my recent revisions I tried to clarify that Martí appointed Juan Gualberto Gómez to a deputy role within the resistance movement, assigning him to prepare La Habana province for the uprising. Look it over and let me know if it still needs work.

About "the second U.S. military intervention" I made it link to the only detail on it that I could find on en.wikipedia: Charles_Edward_Magoon#Cuba.

I deleted "often a featured speaker." That line was another one inherited from the EcuRed and Español Wikipedia backbone of my initial draft.

I can't thank you enough for your work reviewing this article. Please let me know where we go from here. —NickDupree (talk) 02:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

• What's the status on this review? No comments in nearly a month. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 19:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Link to Spanish language Wikipedia

It might be good to cross-link with the article [1] in es.wikipedia.org. I'll look up the canonical way to do this later tonight if I get a chance. --Lizzard (talk) 00:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Juan Gualberto Gómez/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: SCB '92 (talk · contribs · count) 11:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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Looks okay

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   The lead just repeats "he" in each sentence; needs to be paraphrased with "Gomez" as well; in the main article, it should read the place he was born in (Matanzas Province, Cuba); Havana should be wikilinked when first mentioned; "were African slaves[5] but managed to buy the freedom of their child..." I think "but" should be changed to either "who" or "that";

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   fine

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   fine

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   fine

   C. No original research:

   fine

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Death section should be expanded

   B. Focused:

   fine

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   fine

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   fine

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   fine

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   fine

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   I'll pass the article if you fix the issues; and any chance of expanding the "Death" section (like the place of death)?

Okay, it's been a week, and since the nominator failed to address any of the issues, I'm failing it-SCB '92 (talk) 10:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC)