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False rape claims

I edited the part wich claimed he tried to rape a jewish psychologist who interviwed him, because of lack of evidence. The claim presented a link to an article wich didn't confirm it at all, the only thing it said that could relate to it:

"She had talked for six hours to this guy who hated Jews so much that he hid in the bushes and shot at them with a rifle, and he had come on to her, just like that. She shivered at the memory: "He said he wanted some pussy." "

But this isn't rape so I erased it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.184.167.11 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Specifics

I'd like someone to find for this article a picture. Also, what the type of sniper rifle he used for the killings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.130.215 (talk • contribs)

Manson

If you're going to call Charles Manson a serial killer (as this article does), you need to provide some evidence (per WP:RS) that he has killed people. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing such evidence, but doubt very much that it exists. As such, I am removing the Manson reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.113.201 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't ya think someone so versed in Wiki Law, Rules, and Regulations would sign and date their posts like they're supposed to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.224.81 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 22:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article says that this guy shot President Bill Clinton, not Vernon Jordan. Is this vandalism? William L. Schlotterer 07:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC) I reread it three times. I now understand my mistaken interpretation of what is written. I apologize. William L. Schlotterer 10:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Murders

The 'Murders' list/section seems to contain assaults, failed murders and other 'non-murders'. 206.172.238.113 (talk) 07:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category?

I'm a bit lost at the mention of Franklin falling into the category of a "mission oriented serial killer." I can see how that would apply, but this is just the first time I've ever seen a category like that.214.13.149.10 (talk) 07:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was actually a Domestic Terrorist. Anonymiss22 (talk) 17:18, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Franklin killed at random?"

The opening sentence of the second paragraph, under the "Criminal Career" section, begins with the words "Franklin killed at random." Yet everything in the article seems to suggest quite the opposite. Rather an odd discrepancy. I'm not sure what it should say instead, but definitely something else. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 21:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't target specific people he knew, but rather targets that presented themselves as such at certain points in time, ie: victims of opportunity. In this respect, it would be random target killing. 50.29.15.143 (talk) 10:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Serial killer?

It should be noted that while Franklin clearly was a serial killer, in the very limited and technical sense of his having killed more than just one or two people, and having not done so in a single incident, but rather in a "series," I'm not sure the term "serial killer" is a very apt way to describe him. It seems that his socio-political motivation and para-militaristic technique implies a status as something more akin to a lone guerrilla fighter. We don't call the Irish Republican Army "a band of serial killers," after all. I don't see why the mere fact he didn't (apparently) have accomplices alters his status, and makes him akin to psycho-sexual degenerates like John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer. It seems that the term "serial killer" may perhaps be used in this article in order to stigmatize him for his unpopular political views and motive, and is thus non-NPOV. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 21:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am increasingly of the opinion that Mr. Franklin should be characterized as a "terrorist," rather than a "serial killer," based on the clearly enunciated, socio-political motivation behind his crimes. I have yet to take any action to address either of the two issues I've raised about this article here on its Talk page, but barring some input from other people, I think I shall soon be moving forward in moving this article in, what very much seems to be, a more objectively accurate, NPOV direction. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 23:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While it is NPOV to speculate in the article, it is possible that Joseph Paul Franklin's given "motivation" may be a rationalization; that he could be a "conventional" psychosexual serial killer who explains his actions by giving an ideological excuse. Naaman Brown (talk) 14:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore I think "guerilla fighter" introduces a POV of its own, as a guerilla fighter typically attacks military targets rather than killing civilians going about their ordinary lives. You'd have to twist reality to a very great extent to dignify the view that people of certain races born and living in the United States are some sort of occupying force and assigning the actions "guerilla" status.69.169.169.179 (talk) 03:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Editors' opinions don't count in this case; RS have described him as a serial killer and a paranoid schizophrenic. That is what can be used here; it is not up to you to assess his stated motivations. You might want to read "Damaged", the cited New Yorker article that describes his and other crimes, and how they originate.Parkwells (talk) 01:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BLP board

This article has been listed at the BLP board. Can I ask how many murders this "person" was convicted of? TIA --Tom (talk) 00:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright vio

Much of the narrative was copied verbatim from the Joseph Paul Franklin article at Serial Killer Calendar. Editors need to work on changing the language and use RS.Parkwells (talk) 01:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When was he first caught?

The article fails to mention when he was caught, in which jurisdiction, and for what crime. Abductive (reasoning) 14:01, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death

Shouldn't his date of death, November 20, 2013 be added to the article because he will die that day? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 01:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, we wait until his death is reported by a reliable source.--Racklever (talk) 06:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So it has to be after he dies, even though reliable sources say he will die then? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 08:54, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we have to wait for a reliable source.--Racklever (talk) 10:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Considering anything could happen, even the least probable of things (like an army of followers busting him out or something exploding in the prison, allowing him to escape), nobody can know for sure until after he's dead. No matter how ridiculous do you think those ideas are, and no matter how low the probability of them happening is, until it's not confirmed as done by a reliable source, anything could change.62.245.69.24 (talk) 16:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant policy which no one seems to have referenced here is WP:CRYSTALBALL. NickCT (talk) 17:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ad for amazon

Please refrain from putting links to web site that are commercial sales locations. #25 is case in point. No link in notes should ever be to a book sales site. It isn't a reference! Hesweeney (talk) 05:04, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of Documentary Drama

Thoughts on adding the docudrama, covering Joseph Franklin's case, from the television series, The FBI Files episode title: "Moving Target" to the Media section?
Short description of episode:
A nationwide FBI manhunt for a sniper who targets African-American men, leaving no clues or witnesses.
Thank you,
Vwanweb (talk) 20:05, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Also in the reference section on the article from the Southern Poverty Law Center - Murders Price. The correct spelling of the author is Don Terry Not Don Perry. I could not edit the section. Anonymiss22 (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]