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Died?

He just died. Someone should update. 88.88.41.86 (talk) 21:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

AJC confirms. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Washington Post just put this out Mason7512 (talk) 21:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Death?

https://www.ajc.com/news/former-us-president-jimmy-carter-100-dies/3ODQTR5NHVDTDF2SXOU34MKNZM/ Just putting this out there, we should wait for further confirmation but the Atlanta Journal-Constitution is pretty reputable. Edit:Washington Post just corroborated. Should we put a recent death tag or wait? Mason7512 (talk) 21:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

He died, if it’s not edited already

If it’s not edit it needs editing 68.186.187.125 (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Fix birth day

Says invalid date as it shows January 2024!! 66.58.150.77 (talk) 21:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2024 (2)

Jimmy Carter died on 12/29/24 2603:7080:DA3F:9700:9110:601D:ED9C:5FE6 (talk) 21:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Already  Done Mason7512 (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2024 (3)

Change it to add his death day, December 29 2024 2604:3D09:2A77:4DE0:155F:5EB0:DB32:7764 (talk) 21:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

 Already done – Muboshgu (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Jimmy Carter as of today passed away 12/29/24 at 3:45 PM 108.204.152.47 (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done. The article has been updated accordingly. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Earliest former president technically eligible for re-election

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Can we add a single line to his "post presidency" section?

"Carter did not seek the presidency again following his 1980 defeat, and still remains the oldest and earliest former US president still eligible for re-election under the 22nd Amendment." 219.89.41.164 (talk) 06:36, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

This feels like original research. I would oppose saying anything about it unless it has been discussed in reliable sources, and even then wonder how due it is. Donald Albury 13:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not original research, it's a simple evident unimportant "gosh wow", given that he appears to have no interest in re-election at this point, nor has anyone seriously suggested he should. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 15:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Right now he is the only former president eligible for reelection. Since Trump has been reelected, Biden is the current president, and the other 3 former presidents at present Clinton, Bush and Obama all served two full terms. Carter even being alive in 2028 is very unlikely, so this just seems idle wordiness that does not matter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2024 (5)

Jimmy Carter, the 39th president of the United States, a broker of peace in the Middle East in his time, and a tireless advocate for global health and human rights, has died, it was announced Sunday. He was 100 years old. 70.15.65.110 (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Already  Done. quebecguy ⚜️ (talk | contribs) 21:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Jimmy Carter dead at 100 years old Slight Adrian (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Already  Done. quebecguy ⚜️ (talk | contribs) 21:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

How did he die?

How did he die? If anyone knows you should put it in 2A00:16E0:101C:DB73:C641:CC0:DC57:E716 (talk) 21:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The news just came out. It'll come as it goes. TheBritinator (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Repetition

I think the first part of "Health" section is exactly copied to the "Death" section including the picture. Should it be removed from the "Death" section? BlackRider90 (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Archive prior to death?

Does wiki have an archived copy of pages prior to the date of deceased to further ensure a copy is maintained prior to being heavily edited on the date of their death? Seems like this would combat misinformation. NuclearDesignEngineer (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, in the page history. AkiyamaKana (talk) 22:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@NuclearDesignEngineer: Special:Permalink/1265034552 is the last version prior to the edits mentioning his death. - Aoidh (talk) 00:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2024

Jimmy Carter has died on Sunday, the 29th of December 2024 at the age of 100 2600:1011:B126:33F0:6961:DE0:44F:9C5C (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

 Already done – Muboshgu (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Already  Done Mason7512 (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

nope, add (11:50) to it. he died at 11:50 utc or 6:50 best Qwertyuiop1qaz2wsx (talk) 01:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Question

An editor just added, "During Carter's Presidency, the United States Foreign Service eliminated a rule that disqualified openly gay (and lesbian) applicants from being hired as foreign service officers."

I am unfamiliar with this rule, but I wonder whether it disqualified only openly gay and lesbian applicants. In practice, it would usually have disqualified only openly gay or lesbian applicants, but, if the person doing the hiring was aware that the applicant was privately gay or lesbian, was the applicant not disqualified? That was nominally the case under the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy that applied to the military, but was it also the case here? Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I edited the passage to quote from the source, which does not use "openly" and which referred to discriminating against gay and lesbian personnel, not just applicants, which means that the Foreign Service could no longer fire people based on their sexual orientation and not merely refuse to hire them on that basis. This is one of many places in Wikipedia I've seen where an editor has paraphrased inaccurately when there was no reason not to quote. I urge editors to quote whenever feasible rather than to paraphrase. Maurice Magnus (talk) 02:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

World War II

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but is it not a bit off to state that he was active during World War II and list it as a battle if he never (to my narrow understanding atleast) participated in it? Is this because he was on an academy during world war II? 2A02:8108:9C3F:B252:401D:99AC:53BB:F79C (talk) 12:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep the other career jobs in the first paragraph

Could someone make sure not to omit the other career jobs of Jimmy Carter on the first sentence of his article? (e.g. the first paragraph being shortened to "James Earl Carter Jr. was the 39th president of the United States) Cause it ruins the article altogether, just like the previous the presidents' articles now reading "[insert name here] was the 6th through 38th president of the United States". Yes it's clear the individual was American and a politician, but most of these people weren't solely that. That's like if you didn't acknowledge if Ronald Reagan was an actor first, it's straight up lazy and I as an amateur find it unprofessional. So please leave it alone. TheWikiEditor9001 (talk) 11:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I already know that someone is just gonna ignore my advice and put "was the 39th president of the United States" down anyways, but give it consideration first. TheWikiEditor9001 (talk) 11:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh fine, if we have to, then at least let me do it. I guess I'm a hypocrite now. TheWikiEditor9001 (talk) 13:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Health including death

Should the health section include his death at the end? Feels logical 2A00:16E0:101C:DB73:E29C:69C3:B931:D0B (talk) 14:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Official portrait of Carter

When was it photographed? One version said 1977, but another said 1978. They're derived from the same file, so there must only be one right answer. —— Eric Liu_{（Talk・Guestbook）} 14:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2024

change "Although Ford carried Washington, Mike Padden, an elector from there, cast his vote for Ronald Reagan" to "Although Ford carried Washington, Mike Padden, a Washington elector, cast his vote for Ronald Reagan"

('an elector from there' is awkward) Tenebrousluminary (talk) 01:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Unless someone else says, the sentence could be restructured but put Washington and then having Washington again 3 words later is too redundant. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

It's not "too redundant". Less awkward than either of these would be "Although Ford carried Washington, Washington elector Mike Padden cast his vote for Ronald Reagan". But if you really must pointlessly avoid the redundancy bogeyman, try "While Ford carried Washington, one of the state's electors, Mike Padden, cast his vote for Ronald Reagan". 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

SOMEONE PUT THAT HE DIED AT 16:00

HE DIED AT 16:00 EST Qwertyuiop1qaz2wsx (talk) 01:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Source? - OpalYosutebito (talk) 01:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

A stream about jimmy crater death started a bit over 4 hours ago Qwertyuiop1qaz2wsx (talk) 01:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

You still haven't provided a link to said stream. Note that YouTube is not a reliable source per WP:YOUTUBE - OpalYosutebito (talk) 01:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/live/8FaCf_4ziDE?si=eXzcWOgrr2q2B2nb Qwertyuiop1qaz2wsx (talk) 02:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done; please find a reliable source (per WP:RSPSS) that says he died at 4 pm EST. YouTube doesn't count, sadly... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 02:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that the time of death is important enough to mention. Maurice Magnus (talk) 02:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

That's 25 minutes long. Are you incapable of being specific or helpful? 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Stance on abortion

I think the entry should state his stance on abortion. While he supported abortion rights, he claimed to be personally against it, and his stance seems more nuanced than the Democratic Presidents that followed him.Mistico Dois (talk) 15:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome to follow Wikipedia policies, find reliable sources, and insert NPOV text where appropriate. 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Recent Edit

I have recently removed "himself" from a sentence from Carter's early life in reference to him being a student. I felt it was unnecessary to have that word in it as it is implied that the article is about Jimmy Carter so having to distinguish that I feel, is unnecessary.

I believe that the edit could be disputed so I have left a note here just in case some person is upset about the one word being removed so it can be discussed in a civil manner.

Peace and Cheers, Reader of Information (talk) 16:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I think you missed the point of the word, which was that not only was the rest of his family diligent, but so was he. 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Upon re-reading the section. I'm confused as to what you mean? Where does it directly state that his family was diligent. It mentions that his father worked hard sure, and while that can be considered diligent, it has no relation to the part of education. Could you clarify what you mean as now I'm befuddled. Reader of Information (talk) 17:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Death

Jimmy Carter,100, died today peacefully on Sunday, December 29th 2024. 70.35.178.112 (talk) 21:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The article has been edited to acknowledge this. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

This is where Wikipedia should not be manipulated by others. Just because someone found a source that used the word "peacefully" does not make it true. We should not put false information just because there is a reference. Think critically first. There is no evidence to whether Carter was worried or not or in a coma with no thinking. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Oldest living American governor box??

Do we really need a Oldest living American governor succession box? GoodDay (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Header

The header states, "This article is currently being heavily edited because its subject has recently died. Information about their death...." I can't figure out how to edit the header, but would someone please change "their" to "his." I believe that it is universally accepted that Carter was male and not trans. Thank you. Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Third-person singular "they" is commonly used in and outside of Wikipedia, and does not necessarily imply anything about gender identity. Donald Albury 23:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

But it is jarring when used unnecessarily. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

The wording comes from a generic template that is applied to highly edited pages about a recent death. You can see the template here: {{recent death}}. "They" is used as it might be added to any page about someone who has recently died, whether they are male or female. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 00:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

"Someone" is singular, so you mean "whether he or she is male or female." Just kidding. Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually it's a WP:ENGVAR situation. 'They' to describe someone with an unknown gender is correct for certain versions of English (including mine), and so "whether they are male or female". The recent argument other it's usage in the US was a bit of a surprise. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 00:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

"They" is also singular here. There's a Wikipedia page about it that you might want read to educate yourself. 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

The only thing jarring here is your completely unnecessary comment. 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

What makes you think using a gender neutral term for a person means they are transgender?? Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Please leave your ideology out of it. It's a generic template, it's valid English, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with being trans. (In fact trans people are usually quite specific about their gender.) 2600:8802:5913:1700:B0A7:D78E:9CBD:E2B9 (talk) 17:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

See singular they. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2024

i wanted to change "met with Syrian president Bashar Al Assad" to "met with then Syrian president Bashar Al Assad" as to incorporate the recent change that occurred this month Strappd (talk) 01:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This isn't done for any other "then [office]" in the article. I don't think there's any confusion in the current state. But if other editors disagree with me I'm happy for the change to be made. Ultraodan (talk) 10:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

"Peanutgate" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Peanutgate has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 30 § Peanutgate until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 20:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Occupied Palestinian territories

@Keeper of Albion, I see that you have reverted my change from "the territories" to "the occupied Palestinian territories". That's not OK, as "occupied Palestinian territories" is the name currently used by Wikipedia. Note that the text in the article is not in quotation marks, so there is no suggestion that Carter used any particular form of words. Please undo that part of your (larger) revert. Misha Wolf (talk) 23:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

As there has been no response to my request, I shall now restore my edit. Misha Wolf (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)