Talk:Jill, Duchess of Hamilton

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The result was: promoted by Hilst talk 19:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Jill, Duchess of Hamilton donated her body to science because "funerals are a bore"?

Source: [1]

ALT1: ... that when asked about the proper form of address for a divorced duchess, Jill, Duchess of Hamilton replied, "I have absolutely no bloody idea, and please don't tell me"? Source: [2]
ALT2: ... that in her PhD thesis Jill, Duchess of Hamilton uncovered how Christian women in Israel change churches to get a divorce–because Israel does not allow civil divorce? Source: [3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Denizard

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 186 past nominations.

Surtsicna (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral: - I think consistently referring to Robertson as "the duchess", ~~both in the title and~~ throughout the article, despite her dislike for the title and her specific request for it to be removed from her byline, might cross the line of neutrality for me. Otherwise, it's all good.
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The DYK submission itself looks good, I particularly like ALT0 and ALT1, and for the most part the article is quite good. But I can't help but feel like the use of the "duchess" title throughout the article ~~and in the title~~ crosses the line of non-neutrality, due to her explicit rejection of the title. This is really my main issue with it. Grnrchst (talk) 16:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grnrchst, by the time she reached the height of her career she had not been called Robertson for over 30 years. She did not reject the title. She merely asked that it be removed from her byline. The Guardian, for example, gives her byline as "Jill Hamilton" but still calls her "duchess of Hamilton" in the description; the Catholic Herald just sticks with "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton". "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton" remains by far the most common name for her in reliable sources, including the obituaries cited in the article. I am not opposed to substituting some of the duchesses with "Hamilton", however. Surtsicna (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Surtsicna: Thanks for the clarification. Per WP:COMMONNAME, I've struck my concerns about the title. I think "the duchess" could safely be replaced in most cases with personal pronouns (she/her), as there's not any ambiguity introduced that requires us to continue repeating who we're talking about. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grnrchst: I've done this myself.--Laun chba ller 22:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Thanks for seeing to this. --Grnrchst (talk) 22:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]