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Note to admins wandering through

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The primary source of content dispute here seems to be among fans of the article subject vs. those of Woni Spotts. Both women claim a 'first to do' title, both seem to have engaged in UPE. Valereee (talk) 13:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

protection

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Is there a higher level of protection? I don't think this page will stabilize. Universalsunset (talk) 18:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are multiple, but we don't apply them proactively. If we see destabilization, we can request an increase. The edit referenced above isn't evidence of destabilization, it's just a normal edit that someone else happened to disagree with. Which is why we ping the OP to talk. Valereee (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Universalsunset (talk) 19:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]


COI editor

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This page has been substantially changed numerous times over the years. The substance of the page has been reduced to just make it about controversy. The longer substantive parts of my work have been deleted by people with unsubstantiated claims. I would appreciate if the article can stick to factual claims that have been published by credible sources. My entire book was fact checked by National Geographic and thus is an excellent source, not to mention numerous mainstream outlets. This is an article about Jessica Nabongo and the information contained within should focus on that. Catchme15 (talk) 14:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Catchme15, and welcome. I'm happy to discuss with you. Valereee (talk) 14:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

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I see we've removed all mention of the Woni Spotts controversy. This seems a little strange, as it's possibly what make this woman actually notable. I propose to add it back in. Valereee (talk) 20:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've done that. Valereee (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since you blocked me from being able to edit the page, please make sure to remove all unfounded claims from the page. Log6849129 (talk) 11:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Log6849129, happy to discuss with you. You are free to suggest edits here on this talk page. Valereee (talk) 11:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(The concern voiced in Special:Diff/1233768245 was about Log6849129's Instagram-sourced addition only.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Woni Spotts have nothing to do with Jessica Nabongo. There is no reputable source online that indicates that there has been a "controversy". Nabongo is notable because she is the author of a book that was published by National Geographic and she has travelled to every country, every continent and every US state. I'll be removing all mentions of Spotts. Log6849129 (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, @Log6849129, Nabongo and Spotts are mentioned together by multiple sources. Here, CNN says "Nabongo’s claim that she is the first black woman to visit every country isn’t without controversy. Another globetrotter, Woni Spotts, says she became the first African-American woman to visit 195 countries and territories after completing her 40-year mission earlier in September 2018." Valereee (talk) 11:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's hearsay and not verified by any reputable sources. Log6849129 (talk) 11:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia considers CNN to be a WP:reliable source. Valereee (talk) 11:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless, the claim of Woni Spotts traveling to every country is false. There is no reputable source on the internet proving otherwise. Are we now copying every unfounded claim from CNN over to Wikipedia? Log6849129 (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This scholar disagrees. Wikipedia considers academic sources to be the highest quality. Valereee (talk) 11:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That scholar is using the following as sources in her article: Instagram, Matador Network and a website set up by Spotts. Log6849129 (talk) 12:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's a media studies scholar, so it's expected that she uses social and digital media in her work. And the Journal is Social Media + Society, which does peer review. Valereee (talk) 12:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024

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Hello! I would like to request the following change to this page, as it is currently locked.
Please remove the following sentence from the first paragraph: "Her assertion she was the first Black woman to have done so was disputed by Woni Spotts, who said she had completed visits to every country in 2018."
This sentence does not belong here and should be placed further down on the page. Contrary to your earlier claims, it is not what makes Nabongo notable. I have found over 100 reputable sources, including The New York Times, USA Today, Forbes, Washington Post, Good Morning America, CNN, National Geographic, and Outside magazine, that mention Jessica Nabongo as the first Black woman to visit every country in the world, without any mention of Woni Spotts.
National Geographic Partners, LLC, owned by The Walt Disney Company and National Geographic Society, is the publisher of Nabongo's first book, which confirms that she is the first Black woman to travel to every country in the world. This is a highly vetted source with fact-checkers.
I would also like to respond to your previous comment about a "scholar" disagreeing. I reviewed the study you reference, and it does not confirm Spotts' claims. The text only confirms that the claim is being disputed. The author only briefly mentions Woni Spotts, and the section detailing Spotts' claim of being the first Black woman visiting every country in the world does not have a source.
Lastly, I must mention that you have previously wrote "I see we've removed all mention of the Woni Spotts controversy. This seems a little strange, as it's possibly what make this woman actually notable". As I stated earlier, there are over 100 online sources referencing Nabongo, her claim and other achievements without any mention of Spotts. It seems like there have not really been a "controversy" and the facts are well-established. The "controversy" is NOT what makes the woman notable, and your previous statement makes me question your impartiality.
Please make the change requested at your earliest convenience. Log6849129 (talk) 12:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, not the controversy by itself. The claim and recognition, which the controversy is an important element in. We can't really remove it from the lead, as it's one of the most important elements in the article. I know this is not what you want, but a Wikipedia article isn't usually what the subject wants it to be. You can make your LinkedIn, FaceBook, Instagram, blog, book -- everything you have control over -- say whatever you like. A Wikipedia article is not within the subject's control.
If you'd like to get further input, you can do it at WP:Teahouse. Valereee (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean my Linkedin? I have not traveled to every country, not sure why you are assuming that? I am requesting a third party review on this, because you are clearly biased on this issue. Log6849129 (talk) 20:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]