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A couple of factual errors

"At the outbreak of World War I, her husband Fernand, who was 46, was deemed too old to serve in the military." In fact he was under 46 and his military record which is available online from Arles archives show that he was indeed mobilised. The cited source is wrong.

"In 1994, the city of Arles inquired about Calment's personal documents, in order to contribute to the city archives. However, reportedly on Calment's instructions, her documents and family photographs were selectively burned by a distant family member" The destruction of her archives was already reported in the 1988 Paris Match interview referenced, so it was not connected to any 1994 inquiry. I realise the statement does not say directly that it was but it has been interpreted that way.

I am not going to edit because I am not sure if these would count as OR. Weburbia (talk) 16:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Birthtime of Jeanne Louise Calment and her deathtime

Jeanne Louise Calment was born at 7:00 AM (06:00 GMT) on the Second Sunday of Lent, 21 February 1875, and died at 10:45 AM (08:45 GMT) on Monday, 4 August 1997, a Feast of Saint John Vianney. Birthtimes and deathtimes are important because the difference of timezones. The standard timezone of Wikipedia is GMT, not including DST.

189.69.67.106 (talk) 18:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how any of that is relevant. Please explain. --McSly (talk) 18:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Under ‘Oldest documented human’, at the end of the first paragraph in the final sentence (‘Calment…manners.’), change ‘van Gogh’ to ‘Van Gogh’. 185.88.53.15 (talk) 21:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The name is Dutch and is normally lower case. Following the Wikipedia Manual of Style on personal names,MOS:PERSONAL, the correct form is “van Gogh” and is always lower case. See also, https://www.britannica.com/biography/Vincent-van-Gogh —Danorton (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source on Jeanne Calment eating daube

Pages 85–92 of Jeanne Calment: from Van Gogh's time to ours, 122 extraordinary years do not mention her enjoying daube. Which book, if any, contains this information? Noobnubcakes (talk) 19:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The skepticism regarding the age

This has been a very contentious topic however I feel like its absurd that this is even a debate this is supposed to be a encyclopedia yet here we are devoting an entire section of a article to a conspiracy theory that has absolutely 0 proof of evidence that was debunked by most actual experts in the field also after a year or two people just forgot about it all together because it was just a sensational claim made by someone seeking attention Wwew345t (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UNDUE would be the relevant policy for this. Peaceray (talk) 04:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We dont have to delete the article but at the same time calling it skepticism or controversy makes it seem like the thing was taken seriously by sources which they werent they were published in reliable sources but not because they actually believed the theory but because it was a sensational headline the paragraph already accurately depicts what the soucres say on the issue I am just proposing that the name of the paragraph to be changed so it doesnt mislead people Wwew345t (talk) 10:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wish I knew why gerontologists aren't accepting the theory. (Please include as part of your answer the statement that the reason is NOT simply because they don't want to ruin a special statement; specifically the statement that Jeanne Calment had the longest lifespan of anyone, and that they're just trying to find good arguments to show that the theory is false rather than simply moving on with it.) Georgia guy (talk) 11:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was never a good argument to begin with just use common sense and its plain that the theory never had a chance first of all the same guy who made the theory also made theory against other supercentenarians second do you even realise howamg people they would have to either trick or involve to get away with an identity switch they would have to fool everyone in Jeanne's hometown and her friends too or are you suggesting they managed to convince an ENTIRE town to be involved in this small petty pension fraud? That's why it was never taken seriously because the whole claim was completely ridiculous Wwew345t (talk) 11:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supercentenarian claims are very often fraudulent. Shigechiyo Izumi was recognised for decades as the oldest living human, until it was revealed that he had assumed the identity of his older brother. The unlikelihood of identity swap needs to be weighed up against the even greater unlikelihood of a person being comparatively healthy at 122 years of age. 159.196.168.252 (talk) 12:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, we need more than original research. We need verification from reliable sources. Do you have any? Peaceray (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The topic absolutely has to be addressed, but I've cut it substantially per DUE. E Eng 03:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]