Talk:Jamie Lauren Keiles

Notability

To explain the tag, I went through all the references used in the article (including properly removing external links from the main article space and making them references for the sites' existence). While I did date some of the references, which were still up, some were down and I linked to some Wayback Machine pages. In some cases though, for pages that were down, there was no archive, so I fact-tagged them. Without having a copy to consult we can't verify what the references were supposed to claim.

Also questioning the overall notability of the inclusion of many of the references and websites here. What secondary source has established that her blog is important? That a Flickr group is important? Many of the references linked are simply to other people's blogs, and don't stand out as reliable news sources or scholars. Ranze (talk) 00:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey, an update to say I've now added a book reference (published by Routledge) as well as a WNYC reference--between those and NPR, Fox, Q on CBC, etc., over the span of years, I think reliable sourcing for notability is pretty solid, so I'm removing the tag. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:16, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move page. (non-admin closure) — YoungForever^(talk) 22:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Jamie Keiles → Jamie Lauren Keiles – This is the name they use professionally publish all writing under, as seen in the links below. Sheepshapes (talk) 22:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

• The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/magazine/adam-sandler-movies-uncut-gems.html
• Vox: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/5/18119890/jewish-american-princess-jap-stereotype
• The New Yorker: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/catching-californias-superbloom
• Eater: https://www.eater.com/2016/9/7/12815714/coke-coca-cola-first-history
• The Awl: https://www.theawl.com/2015/04/how-to-optimize-your-flesh-prison/#.ne5w8t9qh

• Support per nomination and per provided links which confirm that, although this Wikipedia entry was created nearly ten years ago, in April 2011, as "Jamie Keiles", subject's professional name as well as WP:COMMONNAME is indeed the full form, Jamie Lauren Keiles. On a related point regarding pronouns, it should be noted that Wikipedia:Manual of Style does state at MOS:IDENTITY that, "When there is a discrepancy between the term most commonly used by reliable sources for a person or group and the term that person or group uses for themselves, use the term that is most commonly used by recent reliable sources. If it is unclear which is most used, use the term that the person or group uses." Thus, it is unclear whether there would be consensus for today's unilateral replacement within this Wikipedia article of pronouns "she" and "her" with "they" and "their". Such changes may require a separate discussion on this talk page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:22, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Regarding pronouns:
  • The New York Times began using they/them pronouns in Keiles's bios in December 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/magazine/adam-sandler-movies-uncut-gems.html. Previously, the newspaper had used she/her.
  • This January 2, 2020 podcast interview with Keiles uses they/them pronouns in the introduction (1:19): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interview-w-jamie-lauren-keiles-author-adam-sandlers/id1462386239?i=1000461492142
  • Vox Media's bio of Keiles uses they/them pronouns: https://www.vox.com/authors/Jamie%20Keiles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheepshapes (talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. – DarkGlow (talk) 10:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Pronoun "they"

The bio uses "they" instead of "her" or "she" whenever Keiles is referenced, but there is no information in the article that Keiles is a trans woman. The bio should include this detail about a subject's personal life. Wikipedia is written for the general public -- not the cognoscenti. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)