Talk:Jackaroo (disambiguation)

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC

Jackaroo, as trainee manager of a sheep or cattle station in Australia, is the primary meaning of the term, and other topics are derivative and subsidiary and should constitute the disambiguation page. Doug butler (talk) 23:15, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I have just spotted your note here, after putting in a requested move. Well that's two of us who agree on this! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:24, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 27 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) BilledMammal (talk) 14:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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• Jackaroo → Jackaroo (disambiguation)
• Jackaroo (trainee) → Jackaroo

– Jackaroo (trainee) should be the primary topic, based on page hits and primary usage of the word. The redirect Holden Jackaroo has few hits, as do the only other direct article names (the miniseries and the plane). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 03:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• Clearly not the primary topic with respect to usage: gets just 7% of it (the car model gets 6x as much) [1]. – Uanfala (talk) 11:41, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  But not via the redirect - you need to look at the hits on that page. That name is only used in Australia. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:29, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  These are not pageviews, but the monthly clicks received by each of the links on the dab page Jackaroo. See WP:Clickstream for information about that data. – Uanfala (talk) 13:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not sure what you mean, Uanfala. I am looking at the pageviews on the Holden Jackaroo redirect page, which has been under 20 each day for most of its existence. The number of pageviews for Isuzu Trooper is in effect irrelevant, as most of that traffic comes from direct hits or from one of its other redirects. As a total of such vehicles manufactured, those badged Jackaroo would have been just a small fraction of the total sold worldwide. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:55, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Again, I'm not talking about pageviews. What I'm talking about is the clickthroughs from the dab page Jackaroo. These show you directly what readers want when they search for "Jackaroo" on Wikipedia (that's "usage" in the sense of WP:PTOPIC). The pageviews do not show you any of this, because they can't distinguish between sources of traffic, like reader searches, wikilinks, or external sources - the latter two in fact account for the overwhelmingly majority of traffic (which is the reason pageviews are a very poor indicator of usage). – Uanfala (talk) 14:35, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  I have five dictionaries that discuss the employee: Morris (1898), AND (Oxford) (1998), OED (2000), Chambers (1998), Macquarie Encyclopaedic (2010), plus the Oxford Companion to Australian Literature (1994). Not surprisingly, none mentions the car, the plane or the breakfast cereal. Doug butler (talk) 15:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Clear primary topic. Over past 90 days the "trainee" article averages 97 views per day compared to ten for the plane, seven for the car and one for the miniseries. Also significantly higher number of incoming links. ITBF (talk) 00:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Your pageviews links is comparing apples to oranges. But even ignoring that, it's largely irrelevant for determining usage when we have more direct data available. – Uanfala (talk) 08:57, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. It's the very long standing and still commonly used meaning of the term. All the other usages are forms that are based in a particular time, and that time isn't now. HiLo48 (talk)
• Oppose. There may be an argument for greater long-term significance several decades from now, but a primary topic move is difficult to justify now, given that the article gets just 7% of the usage, and reader interest in the main competing topic (a 20-year-old brand of car) isn't particularly strongly biased towards recentism. – Uanfala (talk) 08:57, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

See my comment above about your calculation. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:55, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment now justify making Thor (Marvel Comics) primary topic and moving contents of Thor to Thor (mythology) Doug butler (talk) 15:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support the stockman is the topic from which the other uses derive - Holden chose the name to associate with the image. Ask any Australian what a jackeroo is and the overwhelming majority will refer to the stockman. --Find bruce (talk) 04:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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No activity for a week so have formally requested closure by admin/uninvolved user. Doug butler (talk) 21:30, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• Relist note: See no disposition for the base name, "Jackaroo", and its current title, "Jackaroo (trainee)", must also be bannered by the move notice for seven days, so have added what appears to be the intention of the nominator... Jackaroo (trainee) → Jackaroo. This request should stay open for at least seven more days. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 03:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

  Fair enough. Doug butler (talk) 04:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Re-directs

I suspect that part of the reason for people going to the disambiguation page looking for the Holden Jackeroo is that if you type "Jackeroo" in the search bar, nothing came up for the car, so I have created a redirect for that purpose Jackeroo (Holden car). -- Find bruce (talk) 21:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)