Talk:Iz*One/Archive 1

Archive 1

Requested move 31 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved to Iz One per discussion below. (closed by non-admin page mover) The editor whose username is Z0 09:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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IZ*ONE → ? – The title should be either Iz One or IZONE. The current title is a stylisation, as indicated in the article (also, the title in the lead is inconsistent with the page name), and it cannot stay. I propose the name to be Iz One, as it fits the Wikipedia guidelines of avoiding capitals and [following] standard English text formatting and capitalization practices. On the other hand, I saw sources (although none of them is considered reliable by WP:KOREA) using "IZONE", eg. [1][2]. — bieχχ (talk) 20:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support Iz One per nom (repeating to make it clear which title I support). — bieχχ (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

It should clearly be Izone per other examples and MOS:TMRULES (Exo, Mamamoo, Twice, Loona etc. etc.), all those groups are using capitalized letters as official stylizations. Snowflake91 (talk) 21:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I still would prefer "Iz One", as in this case the name is pronounced as two English words "is one", not /iːzoʊn/. — bieχχ (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Didnt know that, I thought it was "I-zone"...Im not sure how it should be named then. Snowflake91 (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm correct—sorry if I mislead you. Pronunciation "is one" was in the article (somebody changed it now to "ahiz one"??) and it seemed to be supported by the stylisation: I thought the asterisk separates IS from ONE. — bieχχ (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Google Translate pronounces it as "aizou one" — bieχχ (talk) 23:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support The hangul is 아이즈원, "Aijeu Won"/"Aiz Won". If it's stylized as IZ*ONE and pronounced as "Iz One" then it really should be "Iz One". Lonedirewolf 03:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support for "Iz One" as per above. Heolkpop (talk) 04:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support move to "Iz One" per above. "IZONE" isn't a feasible option per MOSCAPS et al. ONR (talk) 12:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support for "Iz One". The hangul is like "Eyez Won". They styled it as "IZ*ONE" to avoid confusion with "I-zone (Eye Zone)". Accireioj (talk) 05:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Pending Right now none of the press is using "IZ ONE" with the space in-between, so this may have to stay at IZONE until it's clear they are making that distinguishment. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Most sources are using either "IZ*ONE" or "IZONE". However, due to Wikipedia's policy, we cannot use either. Having a title like "Izone" is also misleading as readers may think it is read as "Eye-zone" / "i-Zone" when it is not, based on the article's title alone (hence the hatnote). Another alternative we could make is to have the title as "IzOne". Heolkpop (talk) 07:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Iz One: I keep reading the article title as eye zone which can only be a bad thing - definitely move to Iz One asap. Abdotorg (talk) 10:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Korean romanization and pronunciation

Can we get the Korean romanization for the group name listed instead of pronounced "aiz won". The Japanese romanization is Aizuwan but one of the editors did not want to retain that. I can't tell if it should be pronounced "is one", "eyes one", "eye zee one" AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Title of article

Per MOS:TMRULES, please leave the title to be Iz One. "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices" and "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

So if the group was pronounced "eye zee star one" then you can use IZ*One. If it were "eye zee one" then IZ One. But given it's neither of those then leave as is. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Generally in favor of these stylization guidelines, but what makes the exclamation point in Panic! at the Disco different from the asterisk here? We have Billboard, the Telegraph and the Korea Times using "IZ*ONE"; I think this is worth reevaluating down the line. diplomat’s son (talk+contrib) 18:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Exclamation point could still be sounded out as emphasis, but the asterisk is not pronounced. Whether it's going to be consistently in the title going forward as with M*A*S*H can be determined. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:41, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Maybe Iz*One could be used instead. All caps do not make sense as it is not an initialism/acronym, see Black Pink and Exo. Heolkpop (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I support renaming to "Iz*One" cause the current title doesn't only fail WP:COMMONNAME, but it is barely recognizable (see WP:NAMINGCRITERIA). It will be much more recognizable if it has an asterisk. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:02, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Support as per Heolkpop and Moscow Connection's statements. "Iz*One" is far more recognizable and is used in a lot of news articles. Also, it's not in capitals since it's not an acronym. lullabying (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Using another wikipedia page as an example: why is (G)-idle title kept with the () if special characters aren't allowed? you dont say Parenthesis G Parenthesis Idle so why is it different — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.196.109 (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi 190.181.196.109, the reason why we removed your edits is to standardise with the title of the article, which is "Iz One". This standardisation is to avoid confusion amongst readers. If the title was "Iz*One", we would have amended it accordingly. But do note that there is a discussion to change the article's title to "Iz*One" per WP:COMMONNAME. Heolkpop (talk) 07:41, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

• "unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name" -- this appears to be the case actually. ${\texttt {adamant}}$^{(talk/contribs)} 17:49, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

'"IZ*ONEis the offcial name. Not Iz One Why you have change 'PureRED'?? Please explain. Yè Myat Thiha (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello. If you read the opening line of the article, the stylized version of their name is mentioned. "Iz One ...stylized as IZ*ONE" Wikipedia has style guidelines that should be followed when writing titles. PureRED | talk to me | 16:13, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Move article back to Iz*One, there were supports for moving it to this title above. This is not an all-caps stylzation and is according to manual of style ("unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name."), which is obviously a case, cannot find a single reliable source that would omit the "*". Snowflake91 (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Support move to Iz*One: Per above points. Also if the EP articles use an asterisk why not the main article? Abdotorg (talk) 19:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Snowflake91, please start a new request move instead of adding to this thread. This could go the way of M*A*S*H, but needs to be agreed upon formally, now that the group has been out for over a year. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Nationality dispute

An edit war over the group's origin stakes is taking place (the mirror is quite vivid, eh?)–it was previously assumed that "South Korean–Japanese girl group" is more than sufficient, seeing as how Iz One was conceived through a joint partnership between Mnet and Japan's AKB48 (as reiterated in the article). However, an editor made a valid claim that it was a sole Mnet production, thus rendering them "South Korean" as I can gather from their edit summaries. @Heolkpop: brought on references that cite Billboard, The Korea Herald and The Korea Times for "South Korean-Japanese", the other user has not. Any input is appreciated, more so those familiar with Wikipedia policy. Currently, as the article omits both nationalities "girl group formed through [...] Produce 48" is pretty neutral to me; this whole thing just reminds me of Chinese Taipei. diplomat’s son (talk+contrib) 03:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Just a suggestion: using sources from primarily Korean news outlets would be best to determine this, as international news outlets may not be as well informed. lullabying (talk) 03:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Japanese sources (even ones that have a partnership with Korean news outlets) call them a South Korean-Japanese girl group:

1. 1 (from Yahoo! News, translated from WoW Korea)
2. 2 from ''Nikkan Gendai''
3. 3 (from Kstyle)

lullabying (talk) 03:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Lullabying: Korean English-language sources such as The Korea Herald and The Korea Times use "South Korean-Japanese" for the group. Heolkpop (talk) 04:49, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I think this is sufficient enough. Mkenny6, if you disagree, please list your sources. You being Korean is simply not enough. lullabying (talk) 04:53, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Mkenny6Hi! I just knew how to use it. As I left the reason of my change, the expression of “South Korean and Japanese girl group” is disputable like we’re discussing here, so I suggest to change like just a girl group as smooth expression. This is the best expression not to give people misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkenny6 (talk • contribs)

@Mkenny6: Heolkpop has provided reliable news sources that refer to the group as "South Korean-Japanese" specifically, and most of us are in consensus that it's appropriate to use. Your personal view/politics on the matter is not relevant (see WP:NEUTRAL). lullabying (talk) 05:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Lullabying: Who are the most of you? Are you guys a kind of rulers something? And this is not my opinion and any political issue in there. You depends on just the news sources and how do you know it’s the absolutely reliable? Nowadays, there’s so many fake news. Do you agree the expression is disputable? You should because we’re discussing here! Why are you guys cling to the nations? Is this necessary to explain them? It’s enough to explain the members’ nationality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkenny6 (talk • contribs)

@Mkenny6: If you would like to question the reliability of the sources linked, please discuss at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea, as this is not the page for it.

Please also sign off your comment with four tildes. lullabying (talk) 05:23, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Iz One is a joint project group by Korean Mnet and Japanese AKB48 Group. For example, Cosmic Girls is a collaboration between the Korean Starship Entertainment and the Chinese Yuehua Entertainment, hence it is known as the South Korean-Chinese group. So it makes more sense for Iz One to be known as South Korean-Japanese on top of the sources provided. Heolkpop (talk) 07:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Mkenny6: When one more than source is used as a reference (in this case, three sources are provided), it is obvious that these sources are used to fact check. There are many Korean and Western sources that use "South Korean-Japanese" so it is not disputable at all. I still do not understand what you are trying to achieve here. Firstly, you keep adding in "... 9 Korean members and 3 Japanese members". Then a few hours later, you changed to a different stance. Can you please be more consistent? Heolkpop (talk) 07:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Excuse me? Why do you think that this is the J-pop as well? This group was only originated from South Korean and absolute K-pop group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkenny6 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Sources for the current genres:

• "they're changing things up as a hybrid K-pop and J-pop venture"
• "The show featuring K-pop hopefuls and members of the J-pop idol franchise AKB"

∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 18:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Comments from Mkenny6

What are you talking about? Have you ever wondered what people would think if they did not know about this group and saw Wikipedia information? Again, this group is a pure Kpop group. Can you say this group is Jpop genre because Japanese members are in it? Please do not distort the essence by hanging on a superficial source. In your theory, TWICE is also J-pop genre? I really really ask you to see the essence!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkenny6 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

So which parts are being disputed? 1) "South Korean–Japanese" girl group 2) Origin "Seoul, South Korea" 3) Genre: K-pop, J-pop? For 1) it can be written as "South Korean–Japanese girl group" or "girl group made up of South Korean and Japanese idols". Doesn't really matter as it conveys the same thing. For 2) Origin should be Seoul as the show was produced mainly by Mnet as their debut. For 3) adding J-pop on top of K-pop? That's possible if some of the songs released are J-pop songs rather than K-pop songs. But if all their songs are K-pop songs so far then it stays as K-pop. Compare to Blush (Asian band) which originates in Hong Kong and currently resides in Los Angeles, but has members from five different countries, and their charting is shown in the US market. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

You are right, AngusWOOF, on the J-pop matter. One of the songs from their debut EP Color*Iz, "Suki ni Nacchau Darō?", is purely Japanese, which makes it a J-pop. So, putting "J-pop" in genre is appropriate. It's funny that user Mkenny6 is using Twice as argument, when their Wiki page also has "J-pop" as their genre. Heolkpop (talk) 02:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

On the other hand, if they only do K-pop songs and have an accommodation where they sing the song in Japanese, as with 4minute discography, the genre for the Japanese album might be J-pop but the group is still a K-pop genre. It really depends on how much of a blend of K-pop and J-pop they are doing, on whether that should be categorized as such. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:19, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, the only thing we can go by is what the sources say. Is there any reason not to treat billboard.com as a reliable source here? It does say "hybrid K-pop and J-pop". --bonadea contributions talk 13:47, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bonadea: I recommend having more than one source to certify that analysis, and using primary sources from Korean and Japanese media outlets would be best. lullabying (talk) 19:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Primary sources are never recommended, though. Are there sources that contradict what billboard.com says? Otherwise that is the only source, and it would make no sense not to follow it. Meanwhile the edit warring has started again. :-/ --bonadea contributions talk 18:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

@Bonadea: My bad, I meant sources primarily from South Korean and Japanese outlets. Billboard is more general and aimed towards international (Western) users. lullabying (talk) 05:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Kwon Eun-bi page

I would just like to report the existence of Kwon Ebi (sic). --Chiya⁹² 08:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Billboard V Oricon (2019)

It has came to my attention that someone has decided to edit the Oricon sales of IZ*ONE to reflect the Billboard sales instead. Not only do I find this misleading since every single Korean artist and Japan artist uses Oricon as their sales reference, 48/46 group Wiki's clarify the distinction between Oricon and Billboard. This seems like a misleading attempt to make their numbers seem more flashy when they are already doing well already. If someone wants to use Billboard that is fine but do what 48/46 wikis do have two separate tabs for the both of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ONCEZONE (talk • contribs) 19:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 22 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:33, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Iz One → Iz*One – Per MoS, "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." All highly reliable K-pop sources (1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.) are using IZ*ONE, and by omitting the all-caps stylzations, it should be Iz*One. Snowflake91 (talk) 19:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

• Support: Per above points. Also if the EP articles use an asterisk why not the main article? Abdotorg (talk) 19:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
• Please note that the the asterisk or star is NOT pronounced in Iz One. However this may go by the way of M*A*S*H where the stylization is used throughout when referring to the group. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
• Support: WP:MOSTM also says «Do not „correct“ the spelling, punctuation, diacritics, or grammar of trademarks to be different from anything found in reliable sources», as well as «Do not invent new styles that are not used by independent reliable sources». All or very most reliable sources tend to use asterisk in the name of article subject, so it should be moved. That's common practice, take a look at articles M*A*S*H and 6ix9ine.${\texttt {adamant}}$^{(talk/contribs)} 20:02, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom. lullabying (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom and points made by user adamant. Heolkpop (talk) 02:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
• I support "IZ*ONE", but "IZ*One" would be a good compromise. "IZ" is a numeronym for "12". Now, the meaning is lost. (And the band's name is not pronounced "Iz*One" /ɪz wʌn/, by the way.)
  @Snowflake91, Abdotorg, AngusWOOF, Adamant.pwn, Lullabying, and Heolkpop: How about "IZ*One"? --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:13, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Moscow Connection, is it pronounced like "eyes one"? Then Iz would be the preferred capitalization as it resembles a word. It should only be IZ if it is pronounced "eye zee" like an acronym. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, like like "eyes one". But:
1. "IZ" stands for "12". I think that by analogy with acronyms ("IKEA", "NATO", "Hey! Say! JUMP") we should write "IZ" no matter how it is pronounced in order to preserve the original meaning.
2. "Iz" = /ɪz/ and not /aɪz/ anyway. --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

/ɪz wʌn/ is definitely not how it's pronounced... /ɪ/ approximates to the same "I" sound in words like "it" or "hit." It should be /aɪz wʌn/ lullabying (talk) 21:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

I would as well support IZ*One. Moscow Connection's point seems legit to me. It saves stylization of 12 (guess, meaningful here because there are 12 members in the group) and bears more resemblance to their logo than even IZ*ONE, yet not having excessive capitalization at "ONE" which seems to be ok. Also romanized versions like "Aijeuwon" and "Aizuwan", in my opinion, resemble the way you would pronounce it as abbreviation. And anyway, some acronyms are still pronounced as the whole word, like IKEA, NATO and GIF, I don't really see big issue here. ${\texttt {adamant}}$^{(talk/contribs)} 21:44, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

IKEA, NATO, and and IKEA are acronyms/initialism, but this is more like Israel Kamakawiwoʻole (pronounced "is") who goes by Iz and also stylized IZ. If it's one sound "eyes" then it should be one word, but if it's pronounced separately "eye zee one" or "ai zu wan" then separate. Compare with STU48 which is pronounced "s t u forty-eight" and not "stew forty-eight", the latter of which would be used but isn't the primary pronunciation. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:22, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: It's pronounced "eyes one"; their catchphrase is even "Eyes on me!" lullabying (talk) 16:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I will have to support Iz*One instead of IZ*One then. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I will go with Iz*One as the spelling per AngusWOOF's reasoning. The "IZ" spelling seems to preserved just for stylization of the numerological meaning rather than accessibility for pronunciation. People who aren't hardcore fans of the group (which is the general readership of Wikipedia) isn't really going to care much about it and I think it's probably going to make it more confusing to pronounce. lullabying (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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Vote manipulation investigation

Since Produce X 101#Vote manipulation investigation is starting to overlap with Produce 48, Iz*One, X1, and Idol School, you are welcome to join the discussion taking place at Talk:Produce X 101#Split proposal to see how we can split the article, or if it is needed at this time. Your input is appreciated. Thank you! lullabying (talk) 21:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Why is User:Nguyen_QuocTrung so keen on removing the absolutely necessary information that the group is currently on hiatus? Rka001 (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Rka001: It might be because of the December 30 news reports that Iz*One and X1 are planning on resuming activities soon, though a return date has not been announced. lullabying (talk) 20:55, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Rka001: Read WP:USI and WP:VERIFY to know why, you have to follow Wikipedia policies. I always give the reason why I reverting your edits. Nguyen QuocTrung (talk) 02:27, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Nguyen QuocTrung: Just putting it out there that sources usually aren't put in the lead, and the body paragraphs did provide source for the statement at the time. lullabying (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

EP in total Japanese single has been just one type edition releasing for single

Hi @Lullabying:, thank you for your opinion but the Official label (OFF THE RECORD) clearly specified as a single [3] and it is released in many type. In Japan, many artist release single, it called the Maxi single that seems like the EP (more 4-5 track in CD or download) but it is one type of the single. For example sister group AKB48, Teacher Teacher (AKB48 song) is the 52nd single. It is released many type. Type A has 6 track, Type B has 6 track, but the official called it be a single. So I think the wiki page should refer same the official label. (talk) 21:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

It was counted on Oricon's Digital Albums Weekly Ranking (see example), so therefore it's an EP. If it was a Maxi single, it would be charted as a single. The songs were released as singles physically (you can see their articles for that) but they were re-released digitally as EPs, and the digital albums chart reflects that. lullabying (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Japanese singles/EPs

I understand from the previous post that the Japanese releases are put in both the singles and EP section because physical sales=physical, EP=digital special edition.

As far as I know, though, Suki to Iwasetai was never released differently online; if you look on Spotify or Apple Music, you will see the WIZ*ONE edition, the Type A edition and the Type B edition (like they are sold physically). Furthermore, where are the sales for Suki to Iwasetai in the EP section coming from? Source #117, which is listed next to the sales number of 2,555 copies makes no mention of either アイズワン or 好きと言わせたい.

While I don't 100% agree with separating it, I guess it's also not my place to say "let's merge it," but shouldn't we at least make it more obvious what's going on? The EP "Buenos Aires" and the single "Buenos Aires" refer to the same thing – the single doesn't only refer to the one song, but the Maxi Single, as they call it in Japan. The 'single' contains the same songs as the EP (except that the 'single' has the songs split across three versions, while the EP has them all combined in a so-called Special Edition). The same goes for Vampire. I'm not sure the note is effective enough in conveying the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonjourmarlene (talk • contribs) 22:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Awards section deletion + notice on Iz*One list of awards+noms standalone article

I am currently working on the above draft for the group as the "Awards" section in the main article is too large to stay there. It's already been converted to the all-in-one table format. The article would have been moved to the mainspace earlier but there is a redirect that needs deleting first (which I have requested assistance from another editor for). Once this has been done, I'll publish the list. To save any further changes being made to the "Awards" section, that would then have to be copied to the draft, I am going to temporarily delete the awards section. When the article is published, I will restore the section and link the new article there. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DRAFT IN THE MEAN TIME!!! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

The new article has been published so all the editors who contributed to its former section in the main article are welcome to continue doing so in the above so that its sourcing can be completed, especially as I am not familiar with much about Iz*One and wouldn't know if something is missing or needs to be removed instead of allowed to remain in the table. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

"Jade.parker123/sandbox" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Draft submission review

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Requested move 10 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 11:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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Iz*One → IZ*ONE – No reliable source that I know of uses the "Iz*One" capitalization. Per MOS:TM, "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one" (emphasis mine). Wikipedia definitely seems to be inventing a new style here, and it looks very unnatural. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose South Korean–Japanese girl group pronounced "Eyes-one" so in English fine as it is. We don't capitalize except for acronyms In ictu oculi (talk) 13:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
  • @In ictu oculi: You haven't addressed my original point at all. Show me where the MOS says "acronyms are the only case where caps should be used". Whether it's an acronym or not, or how it's pronounced, is irrelevant for the clause of MOS that I quoted. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
• Comment The article was at IZ*ONE until a 2018 RM. Using all-caps for a band name when RS consistently render it that way is not unprecendented; notably, NSYNC. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:19, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Per MOS:ALLCAPS: "Avoid writing with all caps (all capital letters), including small caps (all caps at a reduced size), when they have only a stylistic function. Reduce them to title case, sentence case, or normal case, as appropriate." As it is purely stylistic that the group's name is in all caps, it should be written following standard English guidelines. The NSYNC example doesn't apply as acronyms are a listed exception and NSYNC is an acronym made up of the members' names. Nangears (talk) 15:49, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
  • @Nangears: You are cherry picking a section of the MOS to support your argument, when the one I quoted explicitly provides an exception for using the stylization when the majority of reliable sources use it that way. So far, there have been zero valid counter-arguments. Nobody has showed me even one RS where the group's name is spelled as "Iz*One". But even if you did, a single one wouldn't be enough. You would have to prove that "Iz*One" is an established spelling consistently used by multiple reliable sources, and not just something made up by Wikipedia editors trying to enforce one section of the MOS without reading it fully to consider all the corner cases. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:53, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
    • @Nyuszika7H: You are also cherry picking one half sentence to follow and ignoring the listed rules and exceptions of MOS:ALLCAPS, when MOS:TM clearly follows the same rules as MOS:ALLCAPS, such as calling out the acronym exception. But, if you want some reliable sources here are two Forbes articles that show up in the top search results for me when looking up the group: [4], [5]. Therefore, it is not a stylization invented by WP, and that exception on WP:TM doesn't apply. Nangears (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
      • @Nangears: Wow, they certainly butchered the capitalizations there, especially "(G)I-Dle", even Wikipedia doesn't spell it that way. But anyway, back on the topic, Forbes alone is hardly enough proof for that style being more established than IZ*ONE. Can you find any other sources? The guideline is a bit open-ended so it doesn't fully justify either option, but in my opinion if it's just 1-2 sources using "Iz*One" and the overwhelming majority use "IZ*ONE", that does swing it in favor of the latter. nyuszika7h (talk) 20:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Per MOS:ALLCAPS - at least one English source in this article uses this style KoreaHerald and Forbes does too. The policy is attempting to provide normal English guidelines. Just because Kpop bands ignore English conventions doesn't mean Wikipedia should also.Evaders99 (talk) 21:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per In ictu oculi. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 01:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2021

change past members to members Alfarta (talk) 03:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

•  Not done Group has disbanded and disbandment was cited. lullabying (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)