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Woman from Ramallah - Islamic?

The article uses this[1] early 20th century photo from Ramallah, but the population of the city was majority Christian at the time, so is this really appropriate when nothing indicates her religion? Pinging Huldra, who may know more. FunkMonk (talk) 01:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article begins "Embroidery was an important art in the Islamic world from the beginning of Islam until the Industrial Revolution disrupted traditional ways of life." As the start of Islamic art makes clearer, in many cultural areas the context in the Islamic world is the important thing, rather than attempting the impossible task of disentangling the religion of the makers. Don't tell anyone, but a high proportion of historic Islamic glass seems to have been made by Jews. Johnbod (talk) 02:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Islamic world was and is certainly not monolithic, but the point here is that in an article specifically about Islamic embroidery, I think we need stronger sourcing for the images used. In this case, Palestinian embroidery is not necessarily tied to a specific religion (a large percentage of Palestinians were Christians until the creation of Israel led to a mass exodus), so probably not the best example to use. If the scope here is instead really embroidery in the Middle East or the Arab world, without religious connotations, the title needs to be more inclusive. FunkMonk (talk) 02:52, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a lot of the article is about India, & Persia etc could easily be added. "Islamic Foo" for the whole Islamic world is pretty standard in art history. Johnbod (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the identity of the depicted woman is known after all[2][3], her name is Widad Khoury, her son is called Johnny, both names which indicate they're Christians (and the hidden necklace is even revealed to bear a cross in the other photo). India and Persia are quite relevant to the article, as Iran is almost entirely Muslim, and India has large Muslim majority areas. But you wouldn't focus on Hindu embroidery from India or Zoroastrian embroidery from Persia in this article, but specifically on Islamic embroidery from there. FunkMonk (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw this now (I'm on a wiki break): sorry, I know nothing about "Islamic embroidery" particularly; I didn't even know this article existed, until now. (I do know a bit about Palestinian embroidery, though). But yeah; I think it is ...strange... to have a Christian woman illustrating "Islamic embroidery"?? A better, more relevant, picture can hopefully be found. (Now back to my wiki break, sorry), Huldra (talk) 23:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've now replaced it with a famous photo of Mohammed Alim Khan, who we know was a Muslim, and from a region discussed in the text. FunkMonk (talk) 02:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]