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I know that this page is rated low importance, and I'm not sure how wiki goes about doing their content assessment schedule, but I'd like a second/third set of eyes to go through everything? I've added as much as I can with citations (there was one I couldn't find regarding the US Army's training facility) and I'm happy with where the article is at now. Subarcticsensing (talk) 00:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Flibirigit talk 02:03, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Isabel Pass has been called "one of the best passes through the Alaska Alps"?

Source: https://www.nps.gov/wrst/learn/historyculture/the-valdez-trail.htm in the last paragraph before the section Construction of the Valdez Trail, 1898-1906. He is calling the Alaska Range the "Alaska Alps"

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Comment: Expansion has been on and off since March 2024, due to my limited time & travel. The most recent and fruitful push has been since September 2024

5x expanded by Subarcticsensing (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Subarcticsensing (talk) 21:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Comment — I found nothing in the source correlating to the hook, plus there is no such thing as the "Alaska Alps". I doubt a preponderance of sources exist which make a connection to the term existing as a colloquialism. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 20:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I should have probably been more specific in the comment. I'm new to this and still getting the hang of things. It's in the last paragraph before the section Construction of the Valdez Trail, 1898-1906 and Lt. Joseph Castner is talking about his exploration of the pass as part of the Glenn expedition of the Copper River Basin in 1898. "Alaska Alps" is referring to the Alaska Range, and that term seems to be an idiolect of his. Would something like "... that Isabel Pass has been called "one of the best passes through the 'Alaska Alps'" be more clear? Subarcticsensing (talk) 01:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - For whatever reason, the text in question did not appear when I read it on my phone, but did appear when I read it on my laptop. The real problem is one of context. I'm guessing that Lt. Joseph Castner is the same as Joseph Compton Castner and this would have originated with his 1898 expedition. I say "guessing" because the NPS historian left no bibliography or footnotes. Based on a library catalog search, "Speaking about his adventure ten years later" appears to refer to an account of a presentation given in Hawaii, which was published in 1910. Otherwise, I have no clue about specifics and this reads like some random thing found on the web. It passes WP:V in that it exists. By any other historical standard, however, it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Speaking of that which one found on the web, a Google search turned up multiple hits showing that the Chigmit Mountains are somewhat known as the "Alaska Alps". I could find no such hits referring to the Alaska Range as such. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 20:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, it's the same Joseph Castner. According to GNIS, the Alaska Range was sometimes called the Chigmit/"T schigmit" Range, but them and their source don't provide exact dates when or by whom they were used. The Dictionary of Alaska Place Names, the source for the GNIS, also shows nothing called the "Alaska Alps." Looking at Walter Mendenhall's 1898 report on the expedition (page marked 285, PDF page 289), Mendenhall calls it the "Alaskan Range." On page 289/PDF page 293, he says this "The head of the Matanuska Valley is one of the most picturesque regions seen during the summer, rivaling that part of Delta River which cuts through the main Alaskan Range." Would changing the hook to "... that Isabel Pass has been called on the of the most picturesque passes of the Alaska Range?" be enough? Otherwise I'm fine with it being rejected. I'll try to be a bit more thorough next time. Subarcticsensing (talk) 01:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regrettably, this fails the requirement of a 5x expansion within the past seven days prior to nominating by a wide margin. In fact, with 3723 prose characters prior to September 19 and 7379 currently, it is 67 characters short of a 2x expansion. Unfortunately, DYK does not allow multi-month expansions such as it took for this to become a fivefold increase. At this point, your best chance at DYK would be to bring the article up to Good Article quality, and go through the good article nomination process to become a GA. I'm sorry for the bad news, but DYK is a process for new articles: newly created, expanded, or made a GA within the past seven days. (an extra day or two can be requested, but rarely more than that). BlueMoonset (talk) 00:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Noted, thanks Subarcticsensing (talk)