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Title

Name correction needed. Indian Predator is the Series title The Butcher of Delhi is one Story of it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yojang (talk • contribs) 18:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neu84321 (talk • contribs) 05:25, July 10, 2022 (UTC)

According to the link to the Netflix website, given above, Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi consists of 3 episodes, at the moment. While these episodes might have an overarching story, each episode tells a different part of the story. This makes it a series, because it is episodic. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi is the original title as per Netflix official. How can you say the butcher of Delhi is one part of it? The series consists of 3 episodes all set to one story that is Chandrkant Jha (Serial Killer) that's a tag line for the title as it was for Netflix Docu-series such as House of Secrets: The Burari Deaths Morgankarki (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cameron Dewe I think you're right about this being a series, I guess more accurately a miniseries with three episodes. Search results mostly used Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi as the title, and nothing obvious popped up that there may be further episodes focusing on other incidents. Per WP:COMMONNAME, this should be the right place.

This a cool concept that I suspect Netflix will do if this is successful - Indian Predator: That Other Thing and Indian Predator: Some Other Place. Even then, this would still probably be the right title for these episodes, the next subject as it's own page and possibly series page that links them together. When something is released as a small group, critically reviewed as a small group, having a page on that small group makes sense. Ravensfire (talk) 16:24, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Morgankarki: I do not have a problem with the title of this article. I think it meets all five naming CRITERIA, not just using a commonly recognizable name, as mentioned above. The problem I have is one of due process, which is dealt with in the next comment. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion decision undone

On 3 July 2022 there was a decision to redirect this article and with this edit Liz redirected this article to Chandrakant Jha. Ten days later, with these edits, Morgankarki, and a couple of other users, have, without discussion, recreated this article. What has changed in the last 10 days to justify this article's creation? - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi is the original title as per Netflix official. How can you say the butcher of Delhi is one part of it? The series consists of 3 episodes all set to one story that is Chandrkant Jha (Serial Killer) that's a tag line for the title as it was for Netflix Docu-series such as House of Secrets: The Burari Deaths Morgankarki (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Morgankarki: This discussion section is not about the TITLE of the article, but about the deletion discussion determining that the article should be redirected. Quite frankly, the best place to write about this television series is at the article about Chandrakant Jha because this television series is not notable, at present. I would expect you to cite your sources so that others can verify what you have written is not just your thoughts, but the thinking of credible experts who have given their thoughts and opinions on the TV series to the wider world. You can prepare a DRAFT article and then prove that there are enough reliable sources that are independent of the official Netflix website or television channels that might screen the series. However, what you should NOT do is ignore the CONCENSUS decision to redirect this article. In my opinion, attempting to write a separate article is a bad idea; give the critics some time to see the TV series and offer their critical opinions, first. Then cite those opinions, and use what they say when writing about this TV series. Start small but deliver a high quality piece of writing that will stand on its own, within the article about Chandrakant Jha. There is no need to have a separate article until you can demonstrate this TV programme is notable by having critics review it. See WP:NTV and WP:NFILM for a deeper explanation of what degree of notability is needed for having a separate article about this sort of television series. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 11:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About the Title Misunderstanding

Hello there! I know you all have some misunderstanding under the title of the series. The series title Indian Predator The Butcher of Delhi is the official title from Netflix media center and their official website. The tag "The Butcher of Delhi" is not a part of the single episode but the whole 3 episodes revolves around the same story of one person Chandrkant Jha Serial Killer. The Butcher of Delhi is the title and the tag line of his story and the premise of the series. It's not like a anthology documentary which in every episode has different story. This series has nothing to do with that. Hope you understood. You can check the title of another netflix docu series named "House of Secrets: The Burari Deaths" which has 4 episodes where all episodes deals with the same story. You can consult me for further details and misunderstanding on this topic. Good day:) Morgankarki (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Morgankarki: Thank you for attempting to enlighten us all about the Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi article. From an earier post I had already viewed the Netflix website and had concluded that this TV programme consisted of 3 episodes that told the was a single story of the serial killer Chandrakant Jha, just as you have explained. I believe I have independently concluded the same thing as you have explained and have no misunderstanding about the title of this article. I believe the misunderstanding is by another user and pre-dates the deletion discussion prior to 10 July 2022. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns with revised version

I've got some concerns with the version prior to restoring the redirect - this version. What's been added is probably enough for a pretty easy DRV overturn. There's some formatting issues in the cast section and the review section needs some copyediting and some more details from the reviews would be very helpful. There are several places where sentences have been obviously copy-pasted from sources, especially the lead which is a problem. "...notorious serial killer Chandrakant Jha who ruthlessly dismembered his victims and scattered their body parts around the city of Delhi" is from here. Several other places with very lurid phrasing is most likely copy-paste and it's also not in an appropriate tone for an encyclopedia article. This is where working on a draft version would have allowed the improvements to be made and a good version moved to article space. I've asked Liz about moving this to draft space so this can be worked on. Ravensfire (talk) 17:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are more issues as I keep looking. I've copied the version prior to the redirect to a sandbox User:Ravensfire/sandbox/Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi. The production section is mostly sentences copied from various sources, usually NOT the one used as a reference for that sentence. Not good. The writing is someone disjointed and everything is from articles based on the preview video. The plot is two sentences and could just about cover anything around a murder investigation. With only three episodes, a summary of each would be ideal. If this had been a draft, it's very unlikely to be accepted in the current form due to those issues. Fixable? Yes. Ravensfire (talk) 18:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ravensfire for checking and again redirecting this article to Chandrakant Jha. I checked the version you noted for copyright violations and the tool used returns a 30% probability, due to a quote from a source.

What Next for this Article?

Ravensfire, me and some other users had edited this article on the Ravensfire user sandbox and done enough maintenance required for it and the content (Plagiarism) like was removed from the inappropriate headings and section used over there. Citations which are unauthentic was removed. Link had been fixed. So to all the top users over there, what is the remaining things that is still required to publish this article to Mainspace. Please do mention on this topic!!! Morgankarki (talk) 03:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I worked on this draft for exactly a week and got it published @Morgankarki — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 22:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well thanks It got published with enough information:) Morgankarki (talk) 02:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Morgankarki Can you source the information? Sood is listed as the only director. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 05:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have not found any valid citation that match that information. As per a Netflix, Ayesa Sood is not only director also a creative content head along with others. So, It need to be reviewed. Thanks!!! Morgankarki (talk) 05:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link to where Netflix says that? — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 01:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ping @Morgankarki — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 01:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article

@Morgankarki This article is about Indian Predator: The Butcher of Delhi, not Indian Predator. It's about one miniseries, not a franchise. The franchise doesn't even need to have its own article yet. Any information about an upcoming installment should either go in its own article (although it does not have enough RS) or put in this article. e.g. in a section called "Future". — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 10:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]