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Two parter

This episode is a two parter, Production numbers 94 and 95. ("In a Mirror, Darkly" and "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II") I'd make the change myself but it's been a good hour and my IP is still blocked (AOL.) - A.J. 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correction

"Though, the differences are also nuanced in their commonality, such as the depiction of the V-2 rocket directly leading to a successful Moon landing. Yet, if there is a single "point of divergence" for the Mirror Universe, this is not it."

I edited this because the V2 is not shown in the mirror intro. We see a Saturn V rocket launch, and a shot of it flying, overlain over a blackboard (both scenes appear in the normal intro), before a scene of a man in a Terran spacesuit placing a flag of the Terran Empire on the moon.

--80.43.55.233 12:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And I, coming later, edited the V-2 entry + link, to Saturn V and link, lower, in the "altered credits" entry. Geeze - don't folks know their rockets?? Inexcusable in a Star Trek nerd (kidding!). 203.208.70.96 (talk) 02:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

how much of the text can you read?

lots of things are citing the history text in this episode. can someone confirm how much is actually shown on screen? i am worried that in some places we are directly citing the text that was writtten to be displayed on the screen, which may not have been actually seen, whilst claiming that it was on screen. Morwen - Talk 11:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Continuity Error

why is the continuity error information being deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.140.84 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 16 April 2007

Because this is an encyclopedia article, not a fan critic site. If this information can't be backed up by a reliable source it's worthless to the article. It's also completely speculative, and reads like what it is: one fan's disappointment that more thought wasn't put into the episode's backstory. Memory Alpha is a better place for stuff like this. Chris Cunningham 22:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I would like all references to a "racist" and humans only Federation eliminated from all Trek related entries because they refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact: Real world production. In the real 1960's Gene dimply didn't have the budget to portray all the alien creatures we (in 2007) are used to seeing.

What about the fact that the united human race is only ever represented by Americans and the odd Brit? Seems pretty racist to me. Don't need special effects to hire foreign actors, hollywood's full of them. Guess the rest of the world's not invited to the utopian future 59.38.32.5 (talk) 06:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chekov was a Brit? And Uhura? tsk tsk - nerds should know better ...

   Reminder: This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. KnowBuddy (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bridge

I thought I read on Trekmovie where the Defiant bridge is actually the James Cawley fan-made bridge for their fan-made Star trek movies. Seeing as how Cawley & company actually MADE the prop, all Paramount had to do was lease it from them at considerably less cost than building it from scratch? Can anyone contact Cawley & confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.83.232 (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 23:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think at the top of the plot section you should put a short establishing graph about what the mirror universe is. It doesn't have to be long, just note it's sort of an "evil counterpart" and how the characters are all opposites. My concern is it might confuse someone who doesn't know the gimmick or who never saw the other mirror universe episodes, especially since the episode is set entirely in the mirror universe.

Worked it into the second paragraph of the lead and then added a line to the production section (in order for it to be summarised into the lead). Miyagawa (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The episode jumps forward to 2155..." -- add immediately after this, "aboard the ISS Defiant"

Done. (just to ISS Enterprise). Miyagawa (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Archer only makes down under the threat or torture." -- "make down?" Is this a typo or a figure of speech I've never heard?

Should have been "backs down". :) Miyagawa (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"...he is comforted by Hoshi Sato (Linda Park)." -- ...because she's the "captain's woman," right?

Added. Miyagawa (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

" It is the USS Defiant previously see in "The Tholian Web"." -- I think the part about the last episode it was seen in should be in parenthesis so it's not part of the plot directly.

Done. Miyagawa (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Error here: "When T'Pol returns to the Enterprise,"

Corrected to Defiant. Miyagawa (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The "Writing and Filming" makes note of a few ideas to mark a "split" in the universes with this episode. As I understand it, the intro credits establish that all of history in the different in the mirror universe.

Not really, it shows history in a different light for sure, but it still uses footage from "our" universe. While in the Shatner plan the split would have been during those episodes somehow, in the end they never really explained where the actual split occured. Although my personal theory is that in our universe, some of the Enterprise-E crew were present in the crowd for first contact (I think), but they weren't present in the mirror version. So perhaps the difference could be as simple as the Borg attack never happened. Of course absolutely no sources for that, but if some nut every asks me to write the missing Star: Trek Enterprise Companion (every other star trek series has one except for enterprise) then I'll stick the theory in. :) Miyagawa (talk) 20:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, like "Regeneration" I believe they intended to revisit the mirror universe in the fifth season and actually have the regular universe characters cross over, which was cancelled.

Added, although I've never seen any reference to what would have happened in those episodes. Miyagawa (talk) 20:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dab links tool shows six disambiguations in the article. Dup links tool returns 15 duplicate links.

All fixed. Wow, that was like a blizzard of duplicate links! Miyagawa (talk) 20:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The images appear to be properly licensed. All External links are working. I see no problems with article stability or neutrality.
Optional: It might be useful to also note where the title comes from (the theme of all mirror universe episode titles involve a play on a mirror reference, and/or where the quote comes from)

The article used to have the origin of the name in it, and Memory Alpha has the same explanation but I cannot find any reliable sources to back this up. Miyagawa (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You've done great work here. Just on hold for a few improvements. —Ed!^(talk) 00:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! These were my favourite episodes of Enterprise, although to be honest the majority of the episodes in the final season were like night and day compared to some of the earlier ones. I've got a new source coming in the post for the Original Series, so I hope to be able to get around to Mirror, Mirror at some point (although I'm planning on starting with The Trouble with Tribbles as it has the specific book about its creation). Miyagawa (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Has to be one of my favorites too. And I agree; I saw it on netflix and felt like it sort of dragged until the Xindi arc, but Season 4 ended up having all of my favorites. Anyway the article is great so it passes, I'd recommend it for FA. —Ed!^(talk) 00:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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