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Relocate Long Beach station discussion

The article was getting too long, so I relocated the Long Beach Station discussion to a new page. This is the old discussion here:

The Long Beach depot was built between First and Second Streets on the east side of the track, which ran north along "B" Street.^[1] A major destination in Long Beach was Tinker's Hotel, later renamed the Long Beach Hotel, and built very close to the station. This was the second hotel built at the site by Henry Harrison Tinker, the founder of Long Beach Tinker's first hotel burned down in 1894. He built another one just a few feet to the east and south of the rail depot.^[2] The image at right shows a crowd waiting for the train sometime between 1901 and 1907. Just across the tracks (which doubled in this area)^[3] from Tinker's Hotel in Long Beach was the Portland Hotel. The Portland Hotel, owned by the Hanniman family was unique for the area, in that it featured an enormous round turret-like structure.The Portland Hotel burned down on December 6, 1914, and was not replaced. ^[4] The Driftwood Hotel was another common Long Beach destination.Mtsmallwood (talk) 00:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The boardwalk area near the station was known as "Rubberneck Row."^[5] Businesses existing in August of 1911 that can be identified along Rubberneck Row from photographs (see images in this article) include, on the west side of the tracks, an establishment advertising "Baths" (possibly the Crystal Baths, an indoor swimming pool), Milton York Candies, a "Postal Shop," and a soda fountain just across from the station advertising "Milk Shake." A somewhat earlier photograph shows a sign for a livery stable immediately to the west across the tracks from Tinker's Hotel, followed (proceeding southwards) by a barber ship, "Vincent's Souvenirs," and a candy shop. A banner stretching above the tracks advertises a restaurant. The photo published by Feagans shows it was produced by H.A. Vincent, Ilwaco and Long Beach, who was probably the owner of Vincent's Souvenirs.^[6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtsmallwood (talk • contribs) 15:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that moving the discussion was a good idea, but now the Long Beach images look out of place mixed up with the other cities. How about creating a gallery of them at Long Beach, Washington? As shown below. Brianhe (talk) 02:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal Baths,Long Beach, WA, about 1905, looking south towards Cape Disappointment (high land in background)
Long Beach, WA, July 1909 "Rubberneck Row," looking north towards depot (building with 2 windows in distance just to right of telegraph pole)
Waiting for train, Long Beach,WA, August,1911, looking south, probably from depot window or roof]]
Tinker's Hotel, Long Beach, WA, looking east
Long Beach (formerly Tinker's Hotel) April, 1953
Breakers Hotel, Long Beach, WA, looking east from beach
Breakers Hotel looking west

this is great, I was thinking about that problem, it was looking wrong but I couldn't seem to fix it. Thanks! Mtsmallwood (talk) 05:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I moved gallery to Long Beach, Washington#History, hope this looks OK to you. If you move it back note that there was an extraneous pair of braces in the "waiting for train" caption. Brianhe (talk) 05:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Feagans, at 37
^ Hobbs and Lucero, Long Beach Peninsula, at 24
^ Feagans, at 71 states that a passing siding was built at Long Beach
^ Hobbs and Lucero, Long Beach Peninsula, at 24
^ Feagans, at 23, publishing post card showing area with caption "Long Beach, Wash. Rubberneck Row," from the Pacific County Historical Society
^ Feagans, at 23, reprinting postcard from Pacific County Historical Society

Relocate Ilwaco discussion

Again, to cut down on the length of the article, the following was relocated to Ilwaco: The railroad ran north up First Street in Ilwaco. A published photo shows the railroad's Ilwaco facilities, including a gallows turntable and elevated watering trough, were located on the southwest corner of the intersection of First and Spruce streets.^[1] The depot was built nearby on Spruce Street. A siding was built for the Ilwaco Mill and Lumber Company.^[2] A published photo shows the passenger depot on the west side of First Street, at a point 14.8 miles (23.8 km) from the Ilwaco Depot to Nahcotta.^[3] The Ilwaco freight depot was in a different building. The freight depot survived to modern times, and has been relocated to became part of the Ilwaco Heritage Museum.

The train ran out on the dock in Ilwaco. Floating logs were stored behind log booms on the west side of the Ilwaco dock.^[4]

Identifiable Ilwaco trackside businesses in the 1890 photo include several stores on the east side of First Street immediately south of Lake Street, both unpaved at the time. This was just across the First street from the railroad's turntable and water trough. The only sign that can be read in the photo published by Feagans is "Furniture," on the immediate southeast corner of First and Lake.^[5] At some point after 1890, First Street had been covered with wooden planks, and remained so until 1916, when it was paved over.^[6] By 1915, a published photo shows many more businesses along First Street in Ilwaco. The only identifiable one is the Sprague House, possibly a restaurant, on the east side of First Street.^[7]

References

^ Feagans, at 28 with photo from Mrs. Wilson collection
^ Feagans, at 37
^ Feagans, at 78
^ Feagans, at 33 and 52, publishing photographs of early Ilwaco harbor, from collections of Pacific County Historical Society and Ilwaco Tribune
^ Feagans, at 28, with photo from Mrs. Wilson Collection
^ Feagans, at 81, with photo
^ Feagans, at 81, with photo from Mrs. Harold C. Dixon collection

Maps

No unquestionably public domain map of the railway has been yet located. Links to maps of the railway follow:

Mtsmallwood (talk) 00:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Steamer Alaskan (questionable use of)

From main article on possible run of Alaskan to Ilwaco: This doesn't seem very likely given the limited deep water area at the Ilwaco dock, the enormous size of this vessel (demonstrated here by a photo of her sister ship, Olympian), and the apparent absence of any photograph showing her at the Ilwaco dock. Astoria seems the more likely terminus for a boat of this size at the company's Ilwaco wharf.

Deleted photo links

Cut out these links from article, interesting but don't show railroad itself or have other more direct tie-in to article topic. Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

"The rails were light, 35 pounds to the foot (52 kg/m)."

I don't think that 35 lb/ft or 52 kg/m is "light" rail. Far more likely that this was 35 lb/yd, the conventional units, or 17 kg/m, isn't it? That 35 lb/ft would be 105 lb/yd, and there were a whole lot of rails a lot lighter than that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that this results from the habit of talking about rail of so many "pounds" without specifying the length units, and somebody misinterpreted this as "per foot" rather than the "per yard" which is normally used. Any citations to a reliable source would be helpful. Gene Nygaard (talk) 05:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Track is always measured in lbs per yard. Or kilogram per meter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTek1 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Feagans, at 37

[2] Hobbs and Lucero, Long Beach Peninsula, at 24

[3] Feagans, at 71 states that a passing siding was built at Long Beach

[4] Hobbs and Lucero, Long Beach Peninsula, at 24

[5] Feagans, at 23, publishing post card showing area with caption "Long Beach, Wash. Rubberneck Row," from the Pacific County Historical Society

[6] Feagans, at 23, reprinting postcard from Pacific County Historical Society

[7] Feagans, at 28 with photo from Mrs. Wilson collection

[8] Feagans, at 37

[9] Feagans, at 78

[10] Feagans, at 33 and 52, publishing photographs of early Ilwaco harbor, from collections of Pacific County Historical Society and Ilwaco Tribune

[11] Feagans, at 28, with photo from Mrs. Wilson Collection

[12] Feagans, at 81, with photo

[13] Feagans, at 81, with photo from Mrs. Harold C. Dixon collection

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