Talk:Illegal immigration to New York City

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where is the citation for the Passel report saying what the national origin of the undocumented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennesy (talk • contribs) 22:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

When are writers on this subject ever going to achieve intellectual honesty by acknowleging the fact that these so called illegal aliens immigrants or whatever you , particularly European American writers, that these are Native Americans, Indigenous to the continent and that this is a continuing dynamic that began with the Illegal and barbaric invasion of the European who to exacerbate their crimes brought with them thousands of Africans whose free slave labor made the Indigenous Pre American a dispensable and disposable entity to be exterminated and removed from the landscape. Hundreds of years later they continue to eke out life on both sides of the Colonial borders of the warring European cousins the Spanish and the English. Whether the speak English and have basterdized native surnames like Little Turtle or Walking Dove or speak Spanish and carry the surname of their once European Spanish master, this is only drapery they carry of a tortured past and history. Underneath lies a TRUE Native American a Pre American if you will who continues to face Europeans now referred to as White people who are in denial not only with their own identity but with that of the Indigenous American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.79.246.68 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

DAMN the person who wrote the paragraph above COMPLETELY OWNED this article and its writers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.217.103 (talk) 04:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Racist Terminology is Political Activism Prohibited by Wikipedia Charity Status in the United States

Articles covering immigration in the United States must stick with statutory law in 8 USC Chapter 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY and case law from US Federal Court Decisions. Those are the only legitimate authorities on the topic of immigration because it has been unconstitutional for states to implement immigration law since 1790.

"Illegal alien" and "illegal immigrant" are only applicable to someone that has been found guilty of a felony in a court of law.

The correct term to describe a foreign born individual that doesn't have the right documentation is "undocumented". Not "illegal".

People born outside the United States are not automatically categorized as "illegal" by US law.

"Undocumented foreign born worker", "undocumented foreign born students", and "undocumented foreign born residents" become documented by obtaining documentation. Incarceration, deportation, and "illegal" are not applicable.

Describing someone as "illegal" because of nationality, appearance, or documentation status - but not because of court conviction - is political activism intended to influence elections.

The federal tax law is very strict on the issue: A 501(c)(3) organization is absolutely forbidden to directly or indirectly participate in any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Violation of this prohibition could lead the IRS to completely revoke an organization's tax-exempt status or impose excise taxes on the organization.

It is illegal for a charitable organization to engage in political activity in the United States.

The following facts are missing from articles that mention "illegal immigration" and "illegal aliens", which obviously influences voting behavior whether or not that is the intent.

• The fees for the most recent residency forms are found at Department of Homeland Security.
• US citizens won't take certain jobs that are usually done by foreign workers, like fruit picking estimated at $0.36 per pound, because it is hard work with a small paycheck. That causes labor shortages.
• Employers must pay fees to document each temporary foreign worker when there are no US citizen job applicants ($325 to $1,500 plus other fees as of 2011).
• Each foreign worker must pay $405 to $1,020 for themselves plus $230 to $420 for each relative after the employer pays to document the temporary migrant worker.
• Employers must pay to document foreign employees, plus visa extension if applicable.
• Visa fees increased over 80% in 2007 accounting for almost 96 percent of USCIS’s fiscal year 2008 budget of $2.6 billion, creating tens of thousands of high-pay low-skill jobs for US citizens.
• Foreign laborers often work for no pay for several months each year to earn enough to pay the visa cost.
• Foreign workers become undocumented when employers refuse to pay fees and file paperwork ($10,000 fine).
• Farm businesses and jobs for US citizens are destroyed when states interfere with the immigration process.
• The Real ID Act of 2005 banned drivers licenses for foreign workers when the employer refuses to pay documentation fees.
• California confiscated and sold about $40 million worth of vehicles annually from undocumented immigrants starting in 2005, in violation of the 4th amendment.
• US housing abandonment climbed to 18 million from 2005 to 2010 according to CNBC.
• The US population declined while Mexico's population grew by 16 million:

• Mexico counted 97 million in the 2000 census.
• Mexico counted 113 million in the 2010 census.

• Mexico's birth rate cannot account for the recent population growth.
• California's economic downturn in 2009 is the worst since the Great Depression.

The following facts are also missing from most articles that cover immigration in North America:

• Immigration control was prohibited for states in 1790, with a 2 year residency required for "white people" to obtain citizenship and civil rights protection.
• Immigrant visa fees became mandatory at all border crossings and harbors in 1920 to raise federal revenue.
• In 1921, the first quantitative immigration law was adopted. It set temporary annual quotas according to nationality (and race).
• Herbert Hoover began Mexican Repatriation by lowering the immigrant quota threshold below the number of legal immigrants and citizens in March 1929.
• The economy destabilized in September 1929, about 6 months after Mexican Repatriation began.
• California responded to the destabilized economy by introducing a law in the US Congress that initiated the unconstitutional removal of several million US residents without regard to legal residency status or citizenship.
• Property was confiscated and sold to pay transportation expenses, in violation of the 4th amendment.
• From 1929 to 1932 new home sales in the United States declined 80 percent as the number of US residents abruptly declined.
• Native Americans received right to obtain birth certificates that would prevent future deportations for people born in the United States after 1968.
• California officially apologized for deporting over 1 million US citizens and legal residents during the Great Depression in 2005.
• Study estimates that undocumented immigrants paid $11.2B in taxes last year, unlike GE, which paid zero

Intentionally omitting relevant facts in order to pursue a political agenda is a violation of 501 charity status.

"Illegal immigrant" and "illegal alien" are being used in many Wikipedia articles to describe Mexicans and other latinos that are not criminals. This derogatory and racist language is an attempt to alter voting patterns of people that lack experience regarding immigration and employment. Wikipedia is an "encyclopedic reference" used by students that will eventually become able to vote. It is a violation of federal tax law for a charitable institution to engage in that kind of political activity. Wikipedia articles become political activity when the terms "illegal immigrant" or "illegal alien" are used to describe people that have not been found guilty of misdemeanor or felony in a court of law. Taxes could be owed starting on the date when charity status was first compromised by that kind of language.

The correct word used to describe a person that lacks documentation is "undocumented". The non-political terminology is "undocumented tourist" for tourists with an expired visa, "undocumented foreign born worker" any time an employer fails to pay the documentation fee for a foreign born worker, "undocumented foreign born student" for exchange students with an expired visa, "undocumented foreign born resident" for people living in the US with an expired visa, etc.

Many people born before 1959 in Hawaii and Alaska are undocumented because they cannot obtain a valid US birth certificate. Most people born before 1940 in places like Arizona and Oklahoma are undocumented because valid US birth certificate were not issued in most counties for lack of funding. Descendants of over 1 million US citizens deported to Mexico in the 1930s are also US citizens. All are undocumented. None of those people are "illegal", but many Wikipedia articles imply that they are all criminals.

"Illegal immigrant" or "illegal alien" would be non-political if used in a quote citing another source, like this one:

Arizona’s Conservative White Legislators: Illiterate and Racist on Immigration

SB 1070 is at best an inflammatory law and will surely come to serve as a rationale to justify violent attacks by the misguided against persons who appear to “look illegal.” ... Indeed, it is this ecology of fear that led to the murder of a young legal Ecuadorian immigrant in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn on December 7, 2008. The perpetrators of this crime were white youth who, like those convicted last month on Long Island for a similar crime, were out “Beaner hopping” or hunting for “illegal aliens.”

• The Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948.
• It was ratified by the United States in 1951.

The kind of racist language used in Wikipedia articles mentioning "illegals" is being used to encourage genocidal behavior. That obviously falls in the category of political activism.

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Non-academic examples of how the terms "illegal immigrant" and "illegal alien" communicate racism help to illustrate how "illegal" articles compromises the intellectual integrity and charity status of Wikipedia.

• The anti-illegal immigrant agenda is about promoting xenophobia and nativism that has surfaced at various times in our history.
• Those who agree with Mr. Vargas say “illegal” should be banned because it suggests that “illegal immigrants” are criminals, which often isn’t true.
• Texas trooper in chopper shoots, kills 2 suspected illegal immigrants
• TEXAS ASKS FBI TO INVESTIGATE HELICOPTER SHOOTING
• Colorado Gas Station Caught Selling “Illegal Immigrant Hunting Permit” Sticker
• Gas Station Pulls Racist 'Illegal Immigrant Hunting Permit' Bumper Stickers
• Oops! You're racist.
• Taco Cid ... in Columbia, S.C., .. produced ... the T-shirt includes an image of a wooden trap with tacos used as bait and a caption that reads: “How to catch an illegal immigrant.”
• Charles Garcia created a stir among many conservatives recently when he defended and parroted allegations that using the term “illegal immigrant” is a racist slur.
• Mexican Restaurant Causes Commotion over “Racist T-shirt”
• Hundreds Protest NYU Republicans’ Racist “Illegal Immigrant” Hunt
• Immigrant tuition petition drive is all about bigotry

Remember:

• if it's clear vandalism and you can't fix it, please email info-en-vwikimedia.org and include the address or title of the article and a description of the issue.
• if it's an error or omission, please leave a note at the talk page of the article explaining the problem.

These facts are well known and relevant to all immigration discussions involving North America.

I hope this finds everyone well.

Best Regards, nanoatzin (talk)

Claims of Racist Terminology Unfounded

"Illegal alien" and "illegal immigrant" are only applicable to someone that has been found guilty of a felony in a court of law. --- This statement is unfounded. The article is presumably talking about the phenomenon of individuals whose presence in the United States is not lawful. It is not singling out actual individuals in criminal or political proceedings. To analogize, an article about murder would acceptably use the term "murderer" even though it isn't acceptable for the media or the courts to use that specific term before conviction.

In fact, "Illegal Alien" is a recognized term by the IRS: 'Also known as an "Undocumented Alien," is an alien who has entered the United States illegally and is deportable if apprehended, or an alien who entered the United States legally but who has fallen "out of status" and is deportable' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.138.234 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Reliance on FAIR sources

This article seems to rely entirely on sources from FAIR for the costs of illegal residents to the city. This organization makes its agenda plain and it shouldn't be uncritically referenced as if it is an impartial source. 108.34.151.139 (talk) 22:10, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 15 April 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Speedy close; revert to status quo ante. When an article is moved without discussion it can be very confusing when an RM is launched to move it back. The articles will be returned to their original titles and anyone wishing to change them should propose a Requested Move. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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Undocumented immigrants of New York City → Illegal immigration to New York City – This was moved without discussion on March 20, 2019 by TenorTwelve. See diff, diff. I think this should be moved back to be consistent with other titles such as Illegal immigration and Illegal immigration to the United States. Interstellarity (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support for consistency with the main article titles and because an article like this should have never been moved without discussion first. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I changed it because "illegal" is considered pejorative and constitutes NPOV. I am of the perspective that this article shouldn't have been created in the first place. It singles out undocumented immigrants in a specific place. I haven't seen articles about other cities (nor am I asking for them). Because I thought moving to delete the page might not work, I thought an article with a pejorative title could be redeemed into a name that evokes pride among the people that the article was about.-TenorTwelve (talk) 07:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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