Talk:Hyatung Falls

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What river? Coordinates?

This article needs the river and Coordinates.--DThomsen8 (talk) 22:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to merge, as the two articles are clearly about the same waterfall(s). PamD 13:43, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge from Hyatrung Waterfall

Hyatung Falls is a pre-existing (created 2011) on same topic. 220 of^Borg 03:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the merger, with no "r" in the name.--DThomsen8 (talk) 10:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~:: Agree with the merger. -- Ascii002 (talk · contribs · guestbook) 11:14, 7 April 2015 (UTC)~~[reply]

Well, I am not agreed with the issue of merging to article(Hyatrung) into the article (hyatung) created by Nirmal Dulal because of the following reasons.

1.It must be the resistered and pure name of the page first no matter how long it has been created or it means the date of the page doesn't affect negatively if the page is wrong with its original name.

2.The page which created is totally correct with its authentic name or it's clear that the page (hyatung falls) has missed the word water and has added just plural form (s) which has indicated that there are a lots falls in hyatrung waterfall, aren't they?You all be sure that this is only a waterfall with this name (Hyatrung) up to now.

3.Whatever you claim on this topic,you must be sure that which one is officially registered name is the original so, another most important thing about this is that on the nepali websites its name might have written just (hyatung) but its name in Nepali type has written just hyatrung as a correct spelling so,check first before to be agreed to merging it into (hyatung) if you are experienced or expert editors.I think it would be better to merge (hyatung) into(Hyatrung) instead.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 12:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mahendra Niraula: I would strongly suggest that you try to make yours answers shorter, they are already hard to understand, shorter is better! Please wp:INDENT them too. Answering you point by point:

All that should have been done, if the page name was wrong in any way, is that the page should have been wp:moved to the correct name.
The addition of the "s" i.e. Fall or Falls, does not necessarily indicate plural. Unless I am mistaken it is merely a short way of saying waterfall, eg. "Smith Waterfall" or "Smith Falls", mean basically the same thing. A peculiarity of the English language. Waterfall is singular, Waterfalls is plural. An added "s" can also indicate 'possession' ie Smith's Waterfall (a waterfall named after Mister Smith). I hope I have this right, my use of the apostrophe is imperfect!
You seem to be mainly repeating point 1 here. But what do you mean by "one is officially registered name"? Translation of writing (romanization) of another language into written English is not a simple matter, and there may be no official system for doing so, or there may even be more that one translation 'system'.

• As for the experience of the editors above, one of them has about 177,000 edits over 7 years, that is an "experienced editor", I think! I have a mere ≈19,000, plus the ≈11,900 I did as an IP editor.
(Hmm, only ≈31,000?, not too meagre!

) 220 of ^Borg 15:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:220 of Borg please in terms of #1.as you asked me to make you cleared,I meant to say that "registered name" is about the two articles (Hyatrung) and (hyatung) which are in controversy to address their original names and what I meant "Registered one" is that which page has been registered by government in the lists of natural heritages here in Nepal either (hyatung) or (hyatrung). If you are still unknown to know about whether these pages are different please be known that they both are same page but only the different is that they have different spelling so I would strongly say that (Hyatrung waterfall) is more correct than that (hyatung falls).

@If you are still curious to know more about then you can consult more to any expert Nepali Wikipedia persons so that it would be more clear since they could look for reliable proofs.The page (Hyatrung waterfall) is created by me not else one and I know that it should be correct with its page name.Anyway,happy editingMahendra Niraula (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mahendra Niraula: Unfortunately, there do not seem to be any "expert Nepali Wikipedia persons". Claiming (as you seem to do above, your fractured English making it difficult to tell), that because you created the page that the name is correct is not acceptable. 220 of ^Borg 05:12, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@ It's not that I asked you about which editor is most experienced in writing article rather it's about which editor is able to distinguish between these (hyatrung) and (hyatung) to address which is correct so that one page would be a permanent page for Wikipedia and I couldn't understand more clearly what have you meant by "Translation system"here touching to "Romania" and I think you are talking about the translation of page (Hyatrung) and (hyatung) and if you are doing so yea it's very difficult to do so into English language. But I think you can pronounce them properly including understand.And on the next hand ,if you have a little knowledge about Nepali language then you can be more satisfied by studying deeply. Mahendra Niraula (talk) 17:34, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You seem not to understand the English language word "romanization", even though 220 of Borg linked to the article to help you. It is nothing to do with the country Romania but is the question of converting words from languages which do not use the "roman" alphabet (as used in English) into that alphabet. There are different sets of rules for different languages. I don't know what the best way is to spell the name of this waterfall in the roman alphabet.It doesn't really matter. The most important thing is to have only one article about one waterfall, and to provide links ("redirects") from all the other spellings which readers might be likely to use. PamD 18:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mahendra Niraula:, if you meant knowing the 'correct' name, why did you not say that? We cannot read you mind. Again, try to keep your comments short. Stop 'waffling' on! Please! 220 of ^Borg 05:12, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talking about name for the article, Google hits for Hyatrung Falls is greater. So, both the articles can be redirected to a new article merging informations.-- Ascii002 (talk · contribs · guestbook) 02:00, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well that may be a solution, but do we follow Google hits (ghits)? 220 of ^Borg 04:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not really but it can be a proof for preference to Hyatrung Falls.-- Ascii002 (talk · contribs · guestbook) 08:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, minus uncited promotional blurb, then debate the title. And provide redirects from every combination of Hyat(r)ung (Water)fall(s). PamD 12:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing?

On the talk page of the creator of the earlier Hyatung Falls page, at User talk:Nirmal Dulal#A request about Hyatrung Waterfall.2C Nepal, Mahendra Niraula said "... you and me strongly need to be bold to overcome the [merge] nomination soon". I have directed them to wp:canvassing and admit I'm not sure if that has occurred here, just bringing the issue up for comment. 220 of ^Borg 05:28, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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