Talk:Hurricane Maria (2005)

"British disaster"

I'd just like to point out that that long quote comes from Pentacle Magazine - "The UK's Leading Independent Pagan Magazine". Jdorje 05:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

More to the point, Stormforce is a decidedly non-neutral global warming activist group. Jdorje 06:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I do agree that the words were an exaggeration...worse than Katrina from a Category 1-strength storm??? However, the point does come up that should be mentioned in a future category or mention that includes hurricanes in Europe. It would have almost certainly caused severe river flooding. CrazyC83 15:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The section is a what-if anyway, so I removed it. What-if sections have no place in an encyclopedia. -- Hurricane Eric archive -- my dropsonde 04:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Year in the name

Why does the article title include the year? There is no need for it because it was the first time the name had been used.--Cool Genius 23:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

In addition to avoid confusion (which doesn't apply here), the year should be included for all non-notable (including most non-retired) storms that have articles. Jdorje 23:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

However, that creates a mess of unnecessary redirects for storms such as Maria that are uniquely named. We should move this to Hurricane Maria until another storm named Maria forms in a future season. (If Maria has ever been used in the Pacific or Indian Oceans then a disambig page is in order). - Cuivienen 05:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge

I think that this article should be merged, not every single storm needs an article. This storm didn't do a thing while it was a tropical storm. --24.83.100.214 03:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I partially agree. But where we stand right now, there would be a lot of opposition to that. At least this storm actually did damage. -- Hurricane Eric archive -- my dropsonde 04:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, this would be in the middle tier of notability of 2005 storms. It's long enough for an article IMO, even after removing the quote. CrazyC83 20:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, it's not very notable. User:Silence_Knight 01:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

image

See Wikipedia:Help_Desk#Image_will_not_display.3F. Apparently the image will not be resized automatically because it is too large. Jdorje 02:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Another image we should have: the mudslide damage from Norway at the link shown in the infobox section. CrazyC83 04:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo

Needs pictures (something from Norway or Iceland?) and references. Jdorje 20:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Link to a picture of one of the mudslides... CrazyC83 03:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there needs to be a picture of a landslide from Maria, but can we use this one? Please respond. Lionheart Omega 20:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 17:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Norway?

The uploaded track map doesn't show it but the best-track does not take Maria all the way to Norway. So can the destruction in Norway be attributed even to Maria's remnants? — jdorje (talk) 04:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

The storm was large enough that it reached over to it...remember it does not take a direct landfall to cause damage. Plus it may have been off the map being so far east. CrazyC83 03:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not anywhere close. Nor does it go "off the map" (the NHC will give coordinates for systems that cross the meridian; that's happened with at least one storm before and I had to fix the track generator for it). — jdorje (talk) 03:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

2 indirect deaths

" On September 18, a woman died of injuries. Her daughter died on February 7, 2006, after having been kept alive in a respirator since the accident." Wouldn't this count for it?HurricaneCraze32 20:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

That fact is completely unsourced; its still in the article for now - but unless a source appears it will be removed.--Nilfanion 20:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

According to Norwegian Aftenposten, among others, the remains of Nate and Maria combined caused four fatalities in Norway. Source: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1114723.ece —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Safe-Keeper (talk • contribs) 04:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

GA on hold

This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :

1. Well written? OK

2. Factually accurate? Pass

3. Broad in coverage? Pass

4. Neutral point of view? Pass

5. Article stability? Pass

6. Images? Pass

Additional comments :

• In ...and moved to the northwest strengthening as it did so., I didn't quite get the as it did so part.
• This, Operationally, it was felt Maria had weakened further into a tropical storm, but post-season analysis confirmed this did not occur., doesn't show the best prose the article can offer ;)
• This subsection New Jersey feels empty, it would need at least 1 more line to make it feel like it is important or relevant to mention. Maybe talk about how both hurricanes were close to each other or how on affected the other ... in fact, this latter idea should probably stem a new subsection.
• numerous homes were destroyed., is a vague figure, can we have a more precise one?

Just answer the few request/comments made above and it will be done for the GA candidacy. Good luck on improving. Lincher 02:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Lincher 02:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Adjustments made. CrazyC83 03:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

GA passed

The minor adjustments done by CrazyC83 really enhance the readability of the aforementioned sections and helps in bringing the article to the GA status by passing criterion 1. Lincher 03:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Pass

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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Merge article and move Hatlestad Slide to 2005 Norway floods?

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The result of this discussion was merge. _ZZ^Z'S 10:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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OK hear me out. Maria as a hurricane wasn't particularly interesting, and honestly the current article barely does enough to justify its existence. The true cause of notability was the floods and landslides in Norway, which currently exists as Hatlestad Slide. The reason I bring it up is that there were impacts outside of Hatlestad. I think everything can be covered in one article, so perhaps move it to Cyclone Kristen, which was the extratropical cyclone that was the merger of Maria and Nate, or perhaps just call it the 2005 Norway floods, and cover the Maria portion in the met history. As it stands, much of Maria's tropical meteorological history can/should be merged into the season article, since that is currently unsourced. This 2021 flood report referred to Kristen, as well as Maria/Nate. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose wasn’t there also a fatality in New Jersey? 174.216.209.32 (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

• Already covered in the 2005 AHS article, under Nate's section. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. While certainly a small article, I think especially in the impact and records section, that this storm wouldn't really fit into the season article. Tropical storm winds to Iceland and genuine damage reports, I believe this article can stand. Shmego (talk) 13:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure Shmego? All of the impacts already exist in the season article or in the landslide article. The records aren't really records, so I removed it - it was unsourced, and that information is also in the season article (which notes the many records for earliest X storm). The Iceland bit doesn't have a valid source, so that information might not even be valid. Therefore, the only real part of the article unique to Maria is the met history, but again, that's largely covered in the season article. There isn't any content unique to this article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I still stand by my opinion, 3.1 million in damages is still a notable amount. Shmego (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

That was related to the Hatlestad Slide, not Maria. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

There were clear impacts, I found some from the official NOAA website. I understand where you are coming from, but I think this article should be kept. Shmego (talk) 18:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

there was also no reason to remove the records. you are correct, as there is no source to back it up, but all you have to do is look at the 2020 season article. This record was beat, but maria held it for a while. If you do remove it once again (I undid your edit), that would be technically fair, i just thought i would say something on it Shmego (talk) 18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I had mostly removed it because articles don't typically include that sort of trivia. I say trivia because it's not that important of a record. It's not like Maria was the strongest, or most damaging, or most anything. It happened to be in an active season, so the record was more because of the 12 storms before it. Not to mention that it doesn't even hold the record anymore, so the "2nd earliest 13th named storm" just seems like fluff. As does copying the content found in the season article and the Hatlestad Slide article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Understandable. I reverted it only because it did hold the record for 15 years, and it did break the record for the first time since 1933, 68 years. Trivia would be an accurate way to put it, though. Shmego (talk) 19:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Support – The tropical cyclone itself had no substantive or noteworthy impact, and its meteorological history is well-covered in the season article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drdpw (talk • contribs) 23:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Support so it can be an article like Tropical Storm Wanda. OhHaiMark (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Support - After reconsideration, I believe this article should be merged with the Hatlestad Slide. As @OhHaiMark said, this article would be similar to the Wanda article, which includes details on Wanda and the n'oreaster. I believe that Maria should get a lot of details in this 2005 Norway floods article, and that a merge could definetly be okay. Shmego (talk) 18:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above. Does seem like the floods had outsized impact over anything else related to Maria. Merging would be appropriate here. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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