Talk:Hurricane Lily (1971)

Todo, plus Impact Sections

What do I need to do for a GAN? Also, should I flip the onland/marine paragraphs in the Impact, Records, and Naming? Thanks! Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 05:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Good to go for GA, methinks. I'd suggest doing a last search for info and potentially taking it to FAC. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I did a quick search, and the same problems that plagued the writing then plague this search. Namely, the lack of difference in the media between "Lily" and "Lili" (meaning most "Lily" sources are of the 2002 "Lili") and many questionable sources, the most conspicuous being for the following statement (from the Puerto Vallarta page):

"In 1971 Hurricane Lily, a category 1 hurricane, caused serious flooding on the Isla Cuale, prompting the city to relocate all of its residents to the new Colonia Palo Seco."

If this statement had a really good solid source, I'd have added it, but unfortunately, I haven't found one. This [1] is the best source I've found for that statement in English, so I believe a Spanish source exists (but I haven't done Spanish since 5th Grade). I'll cautiously submit it for GA, and if this source proves reliable enough, I'll add it during the nom. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 06:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Lily (1971)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

• Delink all dates.
  • Scratch that one, didn't know the debate was still active. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
• The storm caused the Cuale River to overflow its banks, inundating the downtown section of the city with water that was up to 8 feet (2.4 m) deep in some sections. What city?
• Following its upgrade to tropical storm intensity, Lily began developing a spiral structure and heavy anticyclonic outflow on August 30 and was upgraded to a hurricane the same day. Rather technical wording, can you make it a bit easier for the casual reader to understand?
• During its intensification, United States Air Force reconnaissance tried to fly into the hurricane, but penetration was rendered impossible due to the cumulonimbus clouds in the spiral bands, Why did the clouds prevent them from flying in?
• Following the flight, the hurricane turned towards the Mexican coast at a 30° angle. Can you use directions (such as north, east, south and west) instead of degree angle? Also, what caused it to move this way?
• On August 31, a ship called the Turrialba reported a 980-millibar (29 inHg) sea–level pressure while in the eye of the hurricane. you state the 980 mbar pressure but in the infobox it says the lowest pressure was 998 mbar, why?
• Don't use {{convert}} for units that are already rounded to the nearest five. According to project standards, they're supposed to be written, so Shortly after the report, the hurricane peaked in intensity with winds of 85 mph (137 km/h) just prior to landfall 30 mi (48 km) northwest of Manzanillo. should read Shortly after the report, the hurricane peaked in intensity with winds of 85 mph (140 km/h) just prior to landfall 30 mi (50 km) northwest of Manzanillo.
• The cyclone quickly weakened overland, and after only six hours over land, its winds weakened to only 30 mph (48 km/h), a decline of 55 mph (89 km/h) and the cyclone became extratropical. Link extratropical to Extratropical cyclone
• The storm had a short track, travelling a distance of 900 miles (1,400 km). Rather trivial note, other storms have traveled much shorter distances.
• The 30° angle track Lily took off the Mexican coast was not well-forecast due in part to difficulties in interpreting the radar data from the reconnaissance flight. change this sentence according to the direction change in the Met history
• The hurricane was the worst to strike Puerto Vallarta in twenty years. Numbers above ten are written in numerical form
• One person died during a house collapse in the city and two others drowned to death. Drowning to death is redundant
• Separate aftermath from impact (make them two separate paragraphs)
• I'm not sure if you were given notice about this but the naming sections in storm articles has been agreed upon to be removed. All that needs to be mentioned was that the storm wasn't retired.
• The usage of a similar spelling in the ATL is a bit trivial in my opinion.

Overall the article is very well researched, I'm quite impressed by the amount of impact you found for it. However, there are several minor errors throughout the article that need to be addressed before I can pass the article's GAN. As such, I'm putting the article on hold to allow time for them to be corrected. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! Just to make the review above easier to read, I'll just number the problem and reply to it below:

1. No problem.
2. I meant Puerto Vallarta, but I missed the fact that I used the name in the prior sentence. I'll fix it.
3. Does wikilinking both anticyclone and outflow work? If it doesn't, is there a better word choice?
4. Sadly, the best source for the statement doesn't say. It only states that the tall cumulonimbi "blocked penetration", but it doesn't say why, and it's OR to say that the thunderstorms associated with them caused it.
5. By 30° to the Mexican coast, it'd make it a north-northwestward motion. I'll make the changes. Also, I couldn't find why the hurricane moved in the direction it did. It may be in a different portion of the summary, but this computer is having trouble loading the page.
6. The 998 is the JTWC pressure for the storm. NHC Best Track doesn't give any pressures for the hurricane. Since the 965 mbar pressure reading from 68's Rebecca, although not in best track, was enough to designate it the strongest storm, I think this can work the same way.
7. Changed. Also made similar changes where used. Do the measurements in feet need the same?
8. I didn't want to use double linking, as I linked extratropical cyclone in the intro.
9. Changed.
10. See above.
11. Changed.
12. Changed.
13. Changed.
14. Does renaming the "Impact, Records, and Naming" section into an "Impact" section with "Aftermath" - being the relief efforts - into a subsection work? I'll use that for now, and if it doesn't, I'll just revert it. For clarity's sake, do the Barra de Navidad events go into the "Impact" or the "Aftermath"? I'll put that in "Impact" for now, as it occured during the cyclone's time, as opposed to after it.
15. I didn't get the info of the change, but it's no problem. I'll remove both the naming part and the Lili info.
16. See above.

In general, I made changes to everything except the feet measurements, the anticyclonic outflow wikilinking, and the penetration error. I'll wait for advice on these, but until then, I hope the edits help the process. Once again, thanks! (And also, thanks for the compliment on the impact research.) Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 07:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I ended up wikilinking anticyclonic outflow to outflow (meteorology), as a rewrite would probably be too wordy and break the prose too much. Although there is a paragraph or two in the document about steering conditions affecting tropical cyclones this year, it only mentions Lily's steering as being similar to those of Nanette, Olivia, and Priscilla. Drawing conclusions from this would, I'd imagine, be skirting OR since, according to the document, "there

were significant individual differences" between the conditions involved in the four cyclones, and the reasons for Lily's movement are never given. As such, I left the sentence untouched. As far as I can tell, this should address all the problems put forward save for the steering, as there is lacking information on this. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 10:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, everything looks good, nicely done. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)