Talk:Hurricane Earl (2022)

Article for Earl??

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Why should we care about Earl it barley caused any impact and it was only a Category 2. 2601:8C:417F:B80:28F9:9491:9A4E:A6F3 (talk) 12:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

"Only a Cat 2". Earl was a strong hurricane that formed late in the season and has a bunch of notable stuff. Daniel J. Clark (talk) 18:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Daniel J. Clark: Like what? No records were broken, and we don't need detail (in this case) in the form of "Meteorological history" about how a hurricane operates as we have an article for that. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Sheared shape, similar to Paulette. Late season hurricane, especially considering it's strength. One of the few hurricanes to hit Canada (The others being Juan, Fiona, etc.). tl;dr, the hurricane deserves an article. Daniel J. Clark (talk) 23:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

In summary: Earl struggled to form as hurricanes are affected by wind shear which hinders their development. It passed near Puerto Rico, where 2 people died after being struck by lightning while riding a jet ski. The storm eventually intensified into a category 2 hurricane after the wind shear died down. Earl passed East of Bermuda with no major damage reported, and later become extratropical as hurricanes often do when it reached colder waters. Flooding and strong winds associated with hurricanes were reported from Puerto Rico, to Newfoundland Canada. Sorry to those who worked on the article, but this can be summed up nicely on the mainpage 2022 Atlantic hurricane season. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:NOTABILITY issues, it may be redirected. Sarrail (talk) 14:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I would support a redirect. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:08, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hurricane Douglas (2020) had minimal impacts and no fatalities yet it still has an article. There is no need for a redirect and this article is functioning fine, other than a few sources. Hurricane Chandler (talk) 20:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

i agree that the article should be kept. like articles such as Hurricane Sam (2021) which didnt do damage but being a strong fish storm. earl actually did more damages/deaths than sam, it was also a large cat 2 storm Rainbow Galaxy POC (talk) 20:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

It's a Category 2 storm that caused deaths, damage, and impacts to land, most hurricanes of any caliber have articles. If this was a tropical depression that lasted 24 hours in the ocean with no impacts or deaths, it would be a much stronger candidate for redirection. Weatherkidnh (talk) 20:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hurricane Douglas (2020) is also a special case, as there was a discussion (albeit 2 years ago) to redirect the article back into the seasonal article. The main reason, given by MarioJump83, was "[Hurricane Douglas] was the first eastern Pacific hurricane to directly impact Hawaii, with it's southern eyewall." It was a first-type situation, hence the article remaining and the discussion being withdrawn by an editor who also stopped editing in 2020. Also, in the last few months, WP Weather has been working to redirect/"clean-up" a lot of non-notable articles. To be exact, the entire prep and impact section is 3,869 bytes/characters, which can easily be merged into the seasonal article. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

If the WP has new standardization standards, then they can go ahead and make this a redirect if that fits what their goal is. Weatherkidnh (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

There really isn't any new "standards", just more of looking at a bunch of the stub/start class articles and determining if they are really notable enough for a stand-alone article or if they should be mentioned on some other seasonal/list style article. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Per Rainbow Galaxy POC. Like they said, Hurricane Sam's only trait was its pressure, but when Andres became the earliest forming storm in the Pacific in 2021, it did not get a page. Earl is more notable then them and should have this article. Hurricane Chandler (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

If the issues in the article can be fixed, Earl can have an article, regardless of Earl staying out at sea. Sarrail (talk) 20:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to stay neutral in this discussion for now, so for the moment, I agree that if the issues can be fixed, it can have a stand-alone article. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Looks like the issues have been fixed; therefore the article may stand-alone. Sarrail (talk) 22:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Hurricane Chandler: This is a WP:WAX argument.. Hurricane Douglas along with Hurricane Sam broke records so that is different enough to not be a comparison. If you take out the bulk of sources that rely on the National Hurricane Center which is WP:ROUTINE, then what are you left with for Earl? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Which records did it break? Sam rather. Daniel J. Clark (talk) 23:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

There is a section in the article about that. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I want to add that per WP:MILL, hurricanes are routinely reported on by weather organizations which do not make them inherently notable. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sarrail settled the argument. There is no more to discuss. Hurricane Chandler (talk) 00:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

What did Sarrail address? Notability? I am telling you why this storm is not notable. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

The argument is settled. All errors are fixed and the article stays. Sam broke no records unless you count being the strongest of 2021. Sam caused no impacts or fatalities, while Earl caused 2 fatalities and while damage was minimal, minimal is not nothing. Hurricane Chandler (talk) 00:06, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Please stop talking about Hurricane Sam which broke records (per the sources in that article) and focus this debate on Earl. This argument is not settled as the world does not revolve around a 12 hour timezone, you have to give other editors a chance to respond and weigh in. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:09, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Per Hurricane Chandler. Earl is notable. If deaths aren’t notable then Hurricane Carrie shouldn’t have an article. Hurricane Su (talk) 00:27, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Hurricane Su: Yeah, but Hurricane Carrie has in depth coverage (not passing mentions), broke records, and caused deaths. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I am about ready to concede to consensus, I just want more feedback here. These tough questions actually improve articles by addressing issues editors may have. It would be nice to have more arguments that don't go into WP:WAX. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree. I think we can end this with Earl keeping the article. I also agree that Earl isn't exactly notable but there are a heck of a lot of other storms (like Carrie, mentioned by @Hurricane Su) that aren't entirely notable but have factors that prove them worthy of an article. For example, Hurricane Bonnie (2022)'s damage was minimal, but the only thing giving it an article is deaths. And with Tropical Storm Javier (2022), it had no deaths but had impact which gave it an article. Overall, I think Earl is semi-notable, due to the deaths and damage but also never made landfall. So I think Earl's article can be kept, but maybe improved in the future. Don't get me wrong though, @Knowledgekid87, you made good points and Earl isn't exactly notable but similar to Bonnie and Javier, it had factors that pushed it towards deserving and article. Thanks! ~ Hurricane Chandler (talk) 01:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed Hurricane Su (talk) 01:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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Vandalisms

theres a lot of spam vandalism from multiple ip accounts.. and their edit summary either says 'my' or 'Hurricane' and this is happening to other storm articles too. what is going on? Rainbow Galaxy POC (talk) 22:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)