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Page Requirements:

In response to the consensus that emerged during the May 2023 AfD nomination of this article, all new entries to this page must satisfy the below requirements in efforts to reduce the level of WP:FANCRUFT:

Every nickname must be supported by at least THREE high quality and reliable sources. Obscure or user-generated sources will not be accepted.
- Some examples of high quality and low quality sources can be found at WP:RSP.
At least one source should explicitly state "widely", "known as", "dubbed", "often called", or similar.
In addition, non-honorific nicknames and superlatives do not belong here.

Any entries that fail to satisfy these requirements will be reverted. Thank you for your understanding.

On 31 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to List of honorific nicknames in popular music. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Edit request for w:Lady Gaga

RfC: Mother Monster

J.avanzado (talk) 19:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC) Kindly add the sobriquet "Monster Monster" to w:Lady Gaga, I believe this title befits an honorific description as it is supported by following sources:[reply]

"The Performance Identities of Lady Gaga: Critical Essays" by Richard J. Gray II discusses the origin of the title Mother Monster on page 125
An article on Billboard calling her as such, citing her performance on the Opening Ceremony of 2024 Paris Olympics
Her profile on Grammys website

... and numerous other sources -J.avanzado (talk) 09:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This still does not meet requirement 3: mother "monster" is a nickname, not a honorific nickname. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 17:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's at least one article that explicitly states "Mother Monster" as an honorific title for Gaga. Also in the book The Oxford Handbook of the Bible and American Popular Culture by Dan W. Clanton Jr et. al., the authors used the phrasing "referred to as Mother Monster" which is contextually similar to the usage of the terms "widely", "dubbed" or "often called" which is one of the requirements for inclusion of such title. As a point of contention it would be wise to discuss why you believe the title "Mother Monster" is just a nickname and not an honorific title bestowed to her by media and her fans. -J.avanzado (talk) 04:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Mother Monster" doesn’t carry the same honorific weight as titles like "Queen of Pop", which Gaga is already listed for in this article. To be honest, even her Wikipedia article writes Gaga's fans call her "Mother Monster", and she often refers to them as "Little Monsters", which tells me that this nickname isn't used much outside her fandom. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 22:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, then shouldn't it be too for "Father, Son and the Holy Ghost", "Vocal Trinity", "Asia's Songbird", "The Boss", "The Stupendous One", "The Chairman of the Board", "The Artist", "The Sun of Mexico", "Mama Africa" (this one even resembling Mother Monster), etc which were all listed in this wiki page? In my view honorifics shouldn't be boxed in titles that has "Queen/King of something" in them and that Mother Monster by definition fits the categories of an honorific title separate from her Queen of Pop title which has been contested by other people most notably by fans of Madonna, as does all these titles I listed and all the cases of such titles throughout history which most of the time started as sobriquets attached to them by other people like historians, journalists or fanatics. —J.avanzado (talk) 04:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I may add, "Queen Bey" which is a nickname given to Beyoncé by her fans was permitted to be added here as one of her honorific titles. In that light, shouldn't it be fair for Mother Monster to be added to Lady Gaga's as her honorific title too, since it carries the same prestige as that of Beyoncé which is the point of contention here? —Haley.Parrot (talk) 12:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* You really need to discuss this and allow the discussion to develop. Before starting the process see WP:RFCBEFORE RfCs are time consuming, and editor time is valuable. Editors should try to resolve their issues before starting an RfC. Try discussing the matter with any other parties on the related talk page. If you can reach a consensus or have your questions answered through discussion, then there is no need to start an RfC.Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem was that the respondent stopped responding, that's why I started an RfC to get the opinion of other editors regarding this dispute. –J.avanzado (talk) 08:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for not responding, but I have to stand by what I said earlier. I don't think this nickname is honorific enough for the purposes of this article. All of the other nicknames you mentioned is in fact honorific in the context of their native country/region, industry, and the likes. If other editors have opinions on this, then please feel free to chime in. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 20:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2024

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Queen of Soca

Alison Hinds  Barbados 196.3.198.19 (talk) 14:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⸺(Random)staplers 16:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2024

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Queen of Soca Alison Hinds Barbados 196.3.196.53 (talk) 11:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ïvana (talk) 12:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Individual titles

Keith Richards is often called The human riff; Leonard Cohen was known as The doyen of doom Durajohnpatrick (talk) 10:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2024

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Byun Baekhyun Title: Genius Idol Country: South Korea 2A02:CE0:3002:783C:3CB0:4065:632F:4F7A (talk) 18:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bowler the Carmine | talk 19:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elbernita "Twinkie" Clark

Can someone be kind and add Twinkie Clark on this list under the honorific nickname " The Mother of Contemporary Gospel Music." [1] "This is an article from approximately 2 decades ago crowning her as The Mother of Contemporary Gospel." PBS also has a video on YouTube featuring Twinkie Clark and the well-respected literary critic and historian Henry Louis Gates Jr, the title of the video being " Twinkie Clark is the Mother of Contemporary Gospel Music." If further sources are needed, talk to God about it (just playing.) Phenomfrom305 (talk) 20:41, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Queen of Soca" Alison Hinds Barbados 196.3.198.175 (talk) 15:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Please provide reliable sources proving that the name meets the requirements listed at the top of this talk page. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]