Talk:Henri Claireaux

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~~... that Henri Claireaux was the first French senator from Saint Pierre and Miquelon?~~

Source: [1] ("Mais, plus importante fut l'introduction, pour la première fois, d'une représentation directe au Parlement français ... De 1947 à nos jours, Saint-Pierre et Miquelon a eu trois sénateurs : Henri Claireaux (1947-1968)... [But more important was the introduction, for the first time, of direct representation in the French Parliament ... From 1947 to the present day, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon has had three senators: Henri Claireaux (1947-1968)...]."); see also List of senators of Saint Pierre and Miquelon

ALT1: ... that for 22 years, Henri Claireaux was the only person to have ever represented Saint Pierre and Miquelon in the French Senate? Source: same
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fred the Head
Comment: This would be the first DYK bio for Saint Pierre and Miquelon since 2009.

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 259 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi BeanieFan11, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 2 October and exceeds minimum length; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; the sources are either in French or paywalled so not much I can check on paraphrasing but Earwig is clear; QPQ has been carried out; I've struck ALT1, although it is supported by the source the overall length of his tenure was just shy of 22 years; on ALT0 the source and article don't say "first French senator from Saint Pierre and Miquelon" but first to represent the place in the Senate. Unlikely I know but it leaves open the possibility that someone from there was elected to the senate as a representative of somewhere else. Perhaps AL2 below works? Happy to consider alternatives. - Dumelow (talk) 17:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Henri Claireaux was the first representative for Saint Pierre and Miquelon elected to the French Senate?
- @Dumelow: I'm fine with ALT2. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I think it technically needs another reviewer to approve - Dumelow (talk) 05:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11 and Dumelow: I'm sorry, I find ALT2 far too person-does-their-jobby to meet WP:DYKINT. What else have you got?--Laun chba ller 18:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11, Dumelow, and Launchballer: How about ALT3 ... that Henri Claireaux criticized the devaluation of the French franc in 1958, claiming it devolved Saint Pierre and Miquelon into "a state bordering on poverty"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not quite sure that it is supported by the source which has:

Henri Claireaux prend régulièrement la parole en séance publique au début de la Ve République. Il a ainsi, avec Jacques Soustelle, ministre délégué auprès du Premier ministre Michel Debré, un échange assez vif le 17 novembre 1959. Henri Claireaux estime en effet que « le fait d'avoir réduit de 25 millions la subvention au fonds de compensation » en faveur de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon accule la population de l'archipel à « un état voisin de la misère ». En outre, la dévaluation de décembre 1958 a, selon lui, eu des conséquences désastreuses sur le pouvoir d'achat des Saint-Pierrais.

My French is a bit rusty but between that and Google Translate I get something like: "Henri Claireaux spoke regularly in the public sessions at the start of the 5th Republic. He had, with Jacques Soustelle, minister delegate to Priem Minister Michel Debré, a quite heated exchange on 17 Noember 1959. Henri Claireaux considered that in "the fact of having reduced by 25 millions the subsidy" for Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon had reduced the population of the archipelago to "a state bordering on poverty". In addition, the devaluation of December 1958 had, he said, had disastrous consequences for the purchasing power of the people of Saint-Pierre." From the sounds of things Claireaux's claim of a "state bordering on poverty" related to the reduction in subsidy and wasn't explicitly linked to the devaluation - Dumelow (talk) 07:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe ALT4 ... that in 1959, Henri Claireaux claimed that a reduction to a subsidy to Saint Pierre and Miquelon would devolve the territory into "a state bordering on poverty"? Up to the reviewer if "French senator" should go before his name or not. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11 and Launchballer: Fine by me but the text of the article needs to reflect this - Dumelow (talk) 07:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11: Has the above been addressed, as is this ready for re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, looks like I missed this. I'll take a look today or tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the text @Dumelow and Narutolovehinata5: BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4 good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Henri Claireaux/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 23:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 12:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Added cats: Université Laval alumni, French military personnel
Lead needs expanded.
- Expanded.
I guess you couldn't find anything else on his early life like high school? The paragraph says he was born and then jumps straight to him receiving an elementary certificate.
- Didn't see anything.
"received a higher certificate" What's that mean?
- To be honest, I don't know – according to the Senate website: "il obtient le brevet supérieur, après trois ans d'études à l'Institut Pierre de Luxembourg. [he obtained the higher certificate after three years of study at the Pierre Institute in Luxembourg.]" Not sure exactly what it means...
"sadness in that" remove in
- Done.
"Subsequently Claireaux and his followers" comma are subsequently
- Done.
"In 2005, a memorial stamp was issued of Claireaux" Who issued it?
- Saint Pierre and Miquelon, I think? At least according to the StampData.com website. Added to the article.

I think that's everything. Nice research. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good now. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did a spot check of the sources and didn't find any more issues. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.