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Hartstene vs Harstine what is the name?

Hartstene vs Harstine which is the correct spelling? Before I converted everything in Wikipedia to Hartstene they were both used about 50 / 50, If you search the Mason County Web site you also find both spellings used.

Having once been a local to the area I would say that (IMO) Harstine is probably the more popular. The local county phone number is (360) 427-9670 I will try to call when they are open. Jeepday 13:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling/History

Per the web page Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife it was was named for Lieutenant Henry J. Harstine, a member of the Wilkes Expedition. and is often misspelled as Hartstene, Harstene, and Hartstine. Jeepday 14:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's the Law per The following Determination of Geographic Names, being Order Number 98-1, done pursuant to chapter 43.126 RCW, is hereby transmitted to the Office of the Code Reviser for compilation and indexing pursuant to RCW 43.126.055 Harstine Island: Island, 14.5 km (9 mi) by 5.6 km (3.5 mi), located W of Case Inlet, in S Puget Sound, 16 km (10 mi) N of Olympia; Mason Co., WA; T19, 20, 21, R1W, W.M.; 4713'55" N, 12253'06" W. Not Hartstene Island, Harsteen Island, Harstein Island, Harstene Island, Harstene Island, Hartstein Island, Harstine Island. Approved by State Board 6/95; U.S. Board 11/97. Jeepday 15:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neither the Section: Hartstene vs Harstine or Section: Spelling/History properly capture the dominate preference by local, long time residents of Harstine Island to spell it as Harstine. This preference was well documented by the locals when they worked the political effort to get 1st the Mason County Commissioners, 2nd the Washington State Board on Geographic Names and 3rd, the US Board of Geographic Names to all to revise the "Official" spelling as "Harstine." Further, this preference is reflected in the spelling used in these 4 institutions: The Harstine Island Community Club (dating from 1914), The Harstine Island Grange (also dating from 1914), The name of the ferry (the last one named Harstine II and in service for ~3 decades), The Harstine Island Post Office. A side note regarding this last institution. Until Rural Free Delivery was implemented on Harstine Island, John Goetch had ran the contract for the Harstine Island post office out of the enclosed porch of his house, ~.2 miles Northeast of the Hall. The postmark used the Harstine spelling.

My point is that all these data were collected, assembled into a series of presentations which were presented many times over several years starting with the staff of the County Commissioners and on up until all the above mentioned boards voted to adopt this spelling. The last I heard, Jeri Lewis had all this presentation material.

The way these 2 sections are written implies that there has been a great disagreement regarding the spelling, while we long-timers feel that it is only the new-comers that are confused and once the new-comers learn the true state of affairs, they'll come around.

Anyway, I'm not sure how to proceed within the context of Wikipedia's standards. Maybe those with an interest can suggest a way to move forward.

Thanks.

oysterengineer (talk) 17:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harstine

This web page [1] pretty much sums the naming argument up "Hartstene Pointe Maintenance Association - A gated community on the north end of Harstine Island". The island is named Harstine, but a lot of things related to the island are spelled Hartstene. I will give this a few days to draw feed back or comments then move the page to become Harstine Island, Washington and do all the renames in pages and links, etc.(PS I am still researching but the arguments for Hartstene so far are not worth talking about) Jeepday 04:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hartstien

What an argument I am making, As soon as I think I have it all figured out and post something I learn more. Now I am using http://books.google.com to search and have added another log or two to the fire. Jeepday 05:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the book History of the State of Washington By Edmond Stephen Meany, Hartstene Island was named for Lieutenant H.J. Hartstien.^[1]
According to the book Origin of Washington Geographic Names by Edmond S Meany, Hartstene Island was named for Lieutenant Henry J. Hartstene ^[2] The page in this book looks like it says the author examined the muster rolls of the Wilkes expedition, but I don't have a good view of that part of the page on line currently. Also notice that this book and the book "History of the State of Washington" both spell the lieutenant's name differently but seem to be written by the same author, kind of makes me question the reliability of either source.

According to the book The Washington Historical Quarterly By Washington University State Historical Society, University of Washington Washington University State Historical Society ^[3] it is Harstine Island, named after an officer who's family name was undoubtedly Hartstene.

Rename and move complete

I have completed the move to Harstine Island, Washington and fixed all the redirects and updated all the spelling to the correct version Jeepday 04:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bridge

I thought when I was researching the name of the island that I had seen that the bridge was built in the 1950's now I can't find that reference and the best I can find is this

Per http://homes.point2.com/Neighborhood/US/Washington/Mason-County/Harstine-Island-Real-Estate-Agent.aspx

Until 1970, scattered communities like Ballow, Point Wilson and Jarrell Cove were connected only by boat. Now, despite a bridge that replaced the Pickering Passage ferry to the mainland, there's still a distinct island feel to the place.

Per http://www.geocaching.com/mark/details.aspx?PID=SY3438 A geodetic survey in 1967 found the bench mark “Details for Benchmark: SY3438”, “N 47° 15.711 W 122° 55.104 ” one mile north of the ferry landing on the west side of hartstene island

I also checked the huge PDF file for Washington Department of Transportation, 2002 bridge list. but the bridge is not there, it looks like the county owns the bridge maybe and the state does not list it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeepday (talk • contribs) 17:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

My grandparents used to own land on the southern edge of the island; I remember going there when the only way to the island (other than private boat) was via an eight-car ferry. The cost of the bridge borne by the county (or perhaps Hartstine Island residents) was via a bond voted on in the 1960s. Exact year, I'm not sure. The bridge was not up in 1967. It was definitely up in 1970. My best guess is that it was built/completed in 1968. I may have an old newspaper article regarding this; I'll take a look around. --DHLister

Reference

^ Meany, Edmond Stephen (1910). History of the State of Washington Edmond Stephen. Macmillan. pp. Page 75. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
^ Meany, Edmond S (1923). Origin of Washington Geographic Names. University of Washington press. pp. Page 110. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
^ Washington University State Historical Society. The Washington Historical Quarterly. University of Washington Washington. pp. Page 186. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Opening of the bridge

I was present at the opening of the Harstine Island bridge in 1969. In the Community Hall, on the right wall amongst the Grange display are clippings from the Shelton-Mason County Journal covering the opening.

Also as a boy, I frequently rode the ferry & 2 of my uncles worked as crewmen on the ferry. It was always called the Harstine Island ferry and was named the Harstine II. A life ring from the ferry is displayed in the Community Hall with the vessel's name painted on the ring.

Oliver Chapman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oysterengineer (talk • contribs) 17:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Oysterengineer for finding that great reference on the bridge dedication :) Jeepday (talk) 03:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Harstine Island, Washington
- Well written? - Yes, although lists could be put in paragraph form to flesh it out.
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- Davodd (talk) 18:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name discussion is too long

Seems like this article could benefit a lot from a much shorter name discussion.Mtsmallwood (talk) 02:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Meany, Edmond Stephen (1910). History of the State of Washington Edmond Stephen. Macmillan. pp. Page 75. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

[2] Meany, Edmond S (1923). Origin of Washington Geographic Names. University of Washington press. pp. Page 110. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

[3] Washington University State Historical Society. The Washington Historical Quarterly. University of Washington Washington. pp. Page 186. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

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