Talk:Han Chinese subgroups

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Shanghaier, not Shanghainese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anisomycin (talk • contribs) 23:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

There are both Wu-Yue and Ou-Yue in the list. Is not it a mistake? -- Gregean 10:34, 19 June 2006

Unreferenced and dubious statements?

A lot of weasel words ("Some might consider...") in this article; no references. The stuff about one term being used in mainland China and another in Taiwan is unreferenced. Problems with the list, as pointed out above. What on earth is Ou-Yue anyway? Also needs Chinese characters. Wuyue is a defunct state from 1000 years ago. I've never heard it being used to reference a distinct ethnic subgroup. --Sumple (Talk) 07:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Wuyue is linked to Jiangnan (Yangtze delta region) which is definitely a subgroup of Chinese.

this article really needs to be redone

This seems to just list a bunch of regions in China, with only a few actual peoples with Wikipedia articles. Can anyone with expertise on the subject comment? Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 04:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I changed it to add only ethnic groups with articles. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 23:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, someone with intelligence. This article was poorly created using terms which were outdated. Szechwan should be spelt as Sichuan. --Visik (talk) 13:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hoklo vs Min vs Fujianese

Are they all synonymous, or is one a subgroup of the other? Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 23:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Fujian people who speaks a variant of Min should be grouped as Min. Hoklo = Fujianese = Min people.

--Visik (talk) 13:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone keeps adding red links

Please, whoever it is, stop it. Those alleged ethnic groups need their own referenced articles to be linked to by this one. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 08:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Just to clarify: That isn't to say that you shouldn't find sources of their existance - by all means do, it's just that it can't remain as a sourceless red link. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 20:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Once again, please add the links only once they have sourced articles. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 05:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Expanded article

I expanded the article into information "by dialect" and "by region" so it's not just a list. Currently the "by dialect" section is somewhat small (and looks somewhat strange with all the sub-sections), so any help with that would be appreciated. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 08:04, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I cleaned up the "by dialect" section. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 04:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Wu Chinese vs. Yue Chinese

Wu Chinese is not one single language. Wu Chinese is divided into many different mutally unintelligible dialects. Northern Wu speakers and Southern Wu speakers can't understand each other. But the Cantonese dialects are not like the Wu Chinese and Min Chinese. The Guangxi Cantonese is very similar to the Guangdong Standard Cantonese with the only difference in accents. Guangdong Standard Cantonese and Guangxi Cantonese are compared to Canadian English and American English. Therefore Yue language is the second largest dialect of the chinese family language, not Wu. Sonic99 (talk) 03:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright i won't object to that unless somebody can come up with a better argument. However I do this by Language not dialect, difference between Wu dialects are visible but they all belong to the Wu Chinese, which i why i think Wu is the second but it can go either way. On a side note, all of these subgroup languages derives from the Middle Chinese and the Old Chinese of Sinitic languages, so...Ya ^-^.

PS check this diagram
Cantonese proper (Yuehai)
-Taishanese is not mutually intelligible with Cantonese proper
-Pinghua is often considered a separate language

PPs. I've fixed the formation of this article but the information on there (especially the subgroup ones) are still messy, would be cool if anyone can adjust some of it :). --LLTimes (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Taishanese is mutually intelligible with Cantonese to a small extent because of heavy Taishanese accent and a few word pronunciation differences. Nevertheless Taishanese is still a Yue dialect. Cantonese speakers can understand at least 50% of Taishanese. Sonic99 (talk) 04:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Why was information on different Han ethnic groups overseas removed?

Isn't information on which Han subgroups immigrated where relevant to the article? Why was it removed? saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 09:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

It's basically covered in their own pages, and too much similar information on this page. Besides, it's Han Chinese subgroups only, Oversea Chinese doesn't necessary mean all of them are Han Chinese.--LLTimes (talk) 18:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I think it's useful information. And no, it is necessarily about Han Chinese if we're talking about the Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese, etc. diasporas. 58.165.101.207 (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Changing of page title

It appears that there is a lot of political and ambiguous connotations regarding the use of the 'Han/Chinese' to describe linguistic and cultural aspects of sinitic-speaking people, hence I would like to propose a change in the title of the page to Sinitic people. Since the majority of Sinitic/Sinitic-speaking people are Chinese/Han, many would mistaken Sinitic to be equivalent to Chinese. I believe that Sinitic is a more neutral term, similar to Slavic and Germanic when used to refer to Sinitic/Chinese-speaking peoples.

Dubious subgroups

Many "subgroups" in the article, especially Mandarin-speaking subgroups, are entirely unsourced and most likely all imaginary. For example, I have never seen any source that divides northern Chinese into "Jilu people", "Shandong people" and "Hebei people". Particularly, I don't know how "Jilu" (literally Shandong-Hebei) can be listed alongside the other two groups.

All the groups apparently add up to the total Han Chinese population, but some regions (e.g. Henan, Gansu) are absent from the list, so it is also dubious where the statistics come from. I'm removing the list from the article for now and only keeping the sections that are resonably sourced or have main articles.

Original Text

The number of speakers derived from statistics or estimates (2019) and were rounded: Number People Subgroups Main Area Population 1 Sichuanese people Sichuan, Chongqing 140,000,000 2 Shandong people Shandong, Liaodong 120,000,000 3 Jilu people Tianjin, Southern Hebei, Shandong 95,000,000 4 Northeastern people Liaoning, Jilin, Heilongjiang 90,000,000 5 Wu people Shanghainese people, Ningbonese people, Wenzhou people Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Shanghai, Anhui, Jiangxi, Fujian 90,000,000 6 Jianghuai people Subei people Jiangsu Province, Anhui Province 85,000,000 7 Cantonese people Taishanese people, Hongkongers, Macau people, Macanese people Guangdong, Guangxi, Hainan, Hong Kong, Macau 66,000,000 8 Min people Fuzhou people, Hainan people, Hoklo people, Putian people, Teochew people Fujian, Taiwan, Hainan, Southern Zhejiang, Guangdong 65,000,000 8 Hubei people Hubei 65,000,000 10 Jin people Shanxi 63,000,000 11 Hebei people Beijing, Northern Hebei 55,000,000 12 Hakka people Ngái people Guangdong, Fujian, Jiangxi, Guangxi, Sichuan, Hunan 47,000,000 13 Hunanese people Hunan, Northeastern Guangxi 38,000,000 14 Gan people Jiangxi, Eastern Hunan 22,000,000 15 Tanka people Fuzhou Tanka Guangdong, Guangxi, Fujian, Hainan 5,000,000 16 Huizhou people Huizhou 4,600,000 17 Chuanqing people Guizhou 700,000 18 Gaoshan people Yunnan, Guizhou 400,000 19 Waxiang people Hunan 400,000 20 Tunbao people Guizhou, Anshun 300,000 21 Hui'an people Quanzhou, Fujian, China 50,000 Total Han Chinese subgroups China 1,380,000,000

Esiymbro (talk) 15:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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