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Married or engaged?

Are Justin Bieber and Hailey Baldwin actually married or are they merely engaged? Bieber's Wikipedia page says one thing and Baldwin's Wikipedia page says the opposite. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

TMZ appears to be the only source "confirming" the story that they got married on the same day that they applied for the marriage license, although other typically reliable sources have also carried the story, citing TMZ. StrikerforceTalk 15:34, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Both articles should be consistent. I don't know enough about this matter to make any edits. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2018

Codytkester (talk) 03:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 03:53, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Article move

Trillfendi, regarding this and this, see WP:COMMONNAME. We go with the most common name for the subject, which may not be the person's legal name. The WP:NAMECHANGES part of WP:COMMONNAME states, "Sometimes, the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change is announced. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well."

From what I see, Hailey Baldwin is still most commonly called "Hailey Baldwin." If you want the title changed this early on, you should start a WP:Requested moves discussion, but I don't see "Hailey Bieber" passing at this point in time. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

BD2412, as someone who regularly deals with article title issues, do you think we should have a WP:Requested moves discussion about this now, so early on? I get the sense that there will be future moves to "Hailey Bieber" and warring over that. So maybe we should get the WP:Requested moves discussion out of the way now? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Are they even married yet? A few months ago we might have had the same question about Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson, after all. bd2412 T 13:47, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
BD2412, that's a good question, given that we report them as married in both of their Wikipedia articles, and yet, in the Justin Bieber article, the "Relationships" section currently states, "On September 14, Baldwin stated on Twitter that she and Bieber had not yet married, and were planning for the upcoming ceremony." This Wikipedia article states the same, and also that "Under California law, Baldwin and Bieber have until December 12, 2018 to get married using the license which was obtained in September. Otherwise, they will need to obtain a new license." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2018 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Also, the reliable sources reporting on this state that she changed her name on her Instagram and for a clothing line. They state nothing about her changing her name legally (other than that she might do it). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Since I just reverted this, I'm going ahead and leaving a post about this matter at the WP:BLP noticeboard. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@Flyer22: Since by now it is established that they are in fact married, and in her own Millennial way she’s announced to the world she’s changed her name to Hailey Rhode Bieber and shall henceforth be known by that name, I took the liberty. Many reliable sources already reported on the name change. Yes for 21 years of her life, she was known as Hailey Baldwin but she is choosing to be known professionally as Bieber. No different than Victoria Beckham. (Also they’re speculating this from The Blast which is not a reliable source at all, I have to laugh.) I know I’ll be proven right as I always am so I’ll “wait”. Trillfendi (talk) 15:34, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Where are the reliable sources stating that her legal name is Hailey Rhode Bieber? And regardless of what her legal name is, we still have WP:COMMONNAME/WP:NAMECHANGES to follow. You will not be proven right -- about moving this article to her lesser known name -- as long as those policies are in place. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Where are these sources?--Moxy (talk) 00:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
VSHAUTE, regarding this, and like Moxy asked above, where are these sources stating that she is married? The Wikipedia article notes that she's not married. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Have to agree that we should wait. While yes, a lot of sources are taking the "my wife" thing as confirmation of marriage [1], it's still very limited info. Likewise the historic stuff which even many of the sources themselves suggest is uncertain [2] [3]. As for the name, COMMONNAME means that for better or worse, it's likely to be months or longer before it's time for discussing a move. As for first line or infobox, I think we need more than just an Instagram name change. Nil Einne (talk) 13:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I suggest to wait for reliable sources about the marriage before adding items like “spouse” and personal life. As a journalist, I know TMZ share marriage, death and divorce records. When they do that and it’s reliable, they uploaded in pdf format. They haven’t share any marriage record or license copy about Bieber and Baldwin. The other reliable source on this matter is Getty Images, sometimes they upload pics of the records and they haven’t done it in this case.

Also, the reports that said they obtained a marriage license also mention it was in New York, not California. NY State is very open with the public records but not so fast sharing it online. There is a NY Marriage Record Index until 2017. So if they update that data, we can link to that. [4]

I won’t consider the digital versions of Elle, People, Cosmopolitan, etc, as reliable sources, since they’re doing clickbait as much as any other sites these days. Katisbanned (talk) 21:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katisbanned (talk • contribs) 04:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Katisbanned, I removed your name from the top of your post above because that is not how we sign our usernames and because a bot has already signed your post for you (which happens when you don't sign your post yourself with four tildes). See WP:Signatures. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

DonutsAndBakewells, regarding this, per above, you are not to move this article without proof that the new name is her WP:Common name. Victoria Beckham is a completely different case because "Victoria Beckham" is that person's common name. If you still want to have this article moved, then I suggest you take the matter through a proper WP:Requested moves discussion. I should probably look into getting this article WP:Move protected. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:09, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 07 January 2019

We cannot have uncited claims about a living person's birth date or birthplace. These are WP:BLP violations. Someone needs either to remove those claims from the article or cite them with an RS source. I offer the following: Hailey Baldwin born Nov. 22, 1996, Tucson, Arizona, per "Hailey Baldwin" at the Fashion Model Directory. --2604:2000:1382:C5DD:3C53:FE17:CEA5:6864 (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done

Semi-protected edit request on 07 January 2019

In the footnotes, names of TV networks and organizations (CNN, IMG) should not be italicized. They should use the "publisher=" field in the template. Magazine titles in the footnotes, such as Vogue | edition=UK, should be italicized. --2604:2000:1382:C5DD:3C53:FE17:CEA5:6864 (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Semi-protected edit request on 07 January 2019

Like any other personal-life claim about a living person, the subject's middle name needs to verified. The existing CNN citation verifies "Rhode". A footnote needs to be added. --2604:2000:1382:C5DD:3C53:FE17:CEA5:6864 (talk) 19:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

There are multiple citations to CNN. Please be more specific. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:35, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
No. 71, "Justin Bieber confirms he is a married man," https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/23/entertainment/justin-bieber-married/index.html.
Also, names of networks etc. (CBS, ABC, HBO) are not italicized. Field should be publisher=CNN, not website=CNN, throughout.--2604:2000:1382:C5DD:D416:ED76:DEF4:6C32 (talk) 15:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Please see above. SITH (talk) 21:06, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
In footnotes 72 and 73, please change: "website=CNN" to "publisher=CNN."
The reason is that the website field automatically italicizes, and the names of networks are not italicized.--2604:2000:1382:C5DD:1484:160:FCF0:360E (talk) 07:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Marriage discussion continued

Moxy and Nil Einne, as seen with this, the article was again changed to state that they are married...based on this CNN source and this People magazine source. What state you about this? And what are your thoughts, Katisbanned? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn Maybe we should use the Reliable Source list and cite only from the sites reliable, who also put this topic on question, waiting for legal proof or similar. Even though I still think we can use as source a simple post on social media, but it’s what sites are doing too. Katisbanned (talk) 23:47, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Over at Talk:Justin Bieber, we can see that Govindaharihari has rejected the above sources, and this seems to be because all that the links show is that Bieber called Baldwin his wife on Instagram and that Bieber's mom called Baldwin "daughter"? I noted there that we need to be consistent with both Wikipedia articles either way. One shouldn't state that they are married while the other doesn't.
Other than consistency, I'm not sure how this matter should be handled when we have sources like CNN seemingly going by Bieber's Instagram words. I guess someone should post about it at the WP:BLP noticeboard and see what, if anything, they state. As shown above, I've posted there about moving the article; there I also made clear that the marriage aspect is questionable. On a side note: Since this article is on my watchlist, I prefer not to be WP:Pinged to the talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
When I commented, most sources seem to be just relying on the "my wife" comment and most of the the better ones made it clear that's why they were saying so (and they often used carefully language e.g. BBC's "seems to"). While this is somewhat indicative, it's IMO not enough since colloquially people may refer to someone who they aren't married to as their wife depending in the circumstances. With Justin Bieber now specifically say he's a "married man", I'm now leaning to accepting this is good enough. I do agree we should be consistent. Nil Einne (talk) 01:31, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
There is no sources to currently suggest what her legal name is, though it is clear that she has changed her social media accounts to Hailey Bieber and is now being known by that name in addition to her birth (and possibly still legal) name of Hailey Baldwin. CookieMonster755✉ 06:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Regarding this, all that your "also known as" addition will do is incite editors (newbies mainly) to change the Baldwin part to her supposed married name. We've tried "also known as" before there in the lead. And there is no valid reason to remove that hidden note, which is why it keeps getting restored by different editors. So far, just Googling the matter, it seems she is mainly known as Hailey Bieber only on Instagram. The general media have not picked up that name, except to report that she changed her Instagram name to that. So I don't see that it needs a mention in the lead. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:07, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
It should still be mentioned in the article, Flyer22 Reborn, if it isn't going to be in the lead. CookieMonster755✉ 02:53, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
CookieMonster755, there is no Wikipedia rule that says that it should be. But it's already mentioned in the Personal life section that "Baldwin changed her name to Hailey Bieber on social media and requested a trademark license to use the name 'Hailey Bieber' for commercial purposes." On a side note: Since this article is on my watchlist, I prefer not to be pinged to it. There is no need to ping me when replying here on the talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:59, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't usually ping, so my apologies if that was annoying. No, there is no "rule" obliviously, just a suggestion because it has been mentioned. CookieMonster755✉ 03:03, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Again, it's already in the article. It just needs a citation beside it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I know it is in the article. Thanks. CookieMonster755✉ 04:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Trillfendi, we get, it: You really want this article to be called "Hailey Bieber." You also really want the lead and rest of the article to refer Baldwin as "Bieber." But, as has been stated, WP:Common name is clear. "Hailey Baldwin" is her common name. And when it comes to referring to her as Hailey Bieber in the article, there is no proof whatsoever that she has legally taken the name "Bieber." This source you added calls her Hailey Baldwin, and does not confirm that her legal name is Hailey Bieber. This other source you added which also calls her Hailey Baldwin, notes that she changed her surname to "Bieber" on Instagram. We already know that. A person can change their name to anything (or just about anything) on Instagram. Such a change obviously doesn't automatically equate to a legal name. Women these days, especially celebrities, get married without taking their husbands' surname all the time. Baldwin updating her Instagram name to "Hailey Bieber" is not proof that her married/legal name is Hailey Bieber, and using that update to state "Hailey Bieber" in the lead as though it's her married name is WP:Synthesis. That is why editors, including C.Fred, Kind Tennis Fan, KylieTastic, PlyrStar93 and myself, have reverted back to the version that does not imply that her name is now "Hailey Bieber." That is why we have reverted back to that hidden note about the matter. Furthermore, since the article is titled "Hailey Baldwin," "Baldwin" is her common name, and there is no proof that her last name is now "Bieber," we should not be using "Bieber" throughout like you did. That is why I reverted you here (followup note and edit here). Do I really need to address this at the WP:BLP noticeboard and/or start a WP:RfC on it? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:47, 7 February 2019 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:55, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Even if we take into consideration that that the Vogue source states "announcing her new surname and marital status proudly to the world," it's clear that Vogue is basing that on the Instagram update, which is why it speaks of the update right before that text. Also, going by Vogue's assumption vs. the vast majority of the sources on the name change only referring to the name change as an Instagram matter is a WP:Due weight case. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:06, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn’t give a gotdamn if the article was called Hailey Pizza Sauce... what I do care about is consistency. Given examples of Bill Clinton and Bono (and his daughter Eve Hewson, for that matter who uses her middle name) are names they chose to go by, what’s different? Throw Hillary Clinton in there too. I’m quite sure Vogue, being one of the biggest publications in the world, has the resources to verify what they put in their articles. Vogue is certainly more reliable than a social network, no matter if that’s the primary source for Young Hollywood these days, which they made no reference to. When Angelina Jolie had a Vogue cover as Angelina Jolie Pitt, op-ed bylines as Angelina Jolie Pitt, and film credits as Angelina Jolie Pitt nobody questioned the legality of her name. If she decided to go by her married name, it was her choice and people respected it as such. Who fucking cares if she changed her Instagram username or has some trademark plans (which there is no citation for). Henceforth, for the duration of her marriage, she obviously won’t be calling herself Hailey Baldwin, personally or professionally. No different than what Victoria Beckham has done in her marriage with her name and namesake clothing line. If you’re waiting for the white dress and veil, it’s ineffectual. We don’t need OR for a married name. Trillfendi (talk) 08:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Rather than what any individual Wikipedia editor wants, what matters is what Wikipedia wants -- how Wikipedia works. And we are being consistent by having this article titled "Hailey Baldwin" instead of by the uncommon name "Hailey Bieber." And we are being consistent by not calling her "Hailey Bieber" based on an Instagram name change. All of these reliable sources, including Vogue, that have been presented thus far as proof that her married name is "Hailey Bieber" are referring to the Instagram name change. You mention consistency, and yet you changed the article from "Baldwin" to "Bieber" throughout even though the article is titled "Hailey Baldwin." That would read as inconsistent to readers. Whether he chose to go by it or not, "Bill Clinton" is Clinton's common name. It is the name the vast majority of reliable sources use to refer to him. That is why we use it as the title of his Wikipedia article, as made clear as an example at the WP:Common name policy. Those other people you mentioned? Those are their common names. We know that Angelina Jolie had the legal/married name of "Angelina Jolie Pitt." And did we change the title of her Wikipedia article based on that? No. Because "Angelina Jolie" was (and still is) her common name, even with some sources having used her legal/married name. There are obvious reasons why we have questioned whether or not "Hailey Bieber" is Baldwin's legal/married name. As seen above, not that long ago, editors (including me) were questioning if she was even married to Justin Bieber. We settled on going by Bieber stating "I'm a married man." If Baldwin were to state that "Hailey Bieber" is her legal/married name, or if reliable sources were stating that it is (and not basing it only on her Instagram name change), then we would state that her married name is "Hailey Bieber." In that latter case, I came across this Vogue source that states "Hailey Bieber (née Baldwin)." And this People magazine video says "Hailey Bieber, formerly Baldwin." So, really, that's now enough to note in the lead and infobox that her married name is Hailey Bieber. I'll go ahead and make the change. But we shouldn't refer to her as "Bieber" throughout the article, just like we didn't refer to "Jolie" as "Jolie Pitt" throughout her Wikipedia article while she was married to Brad Pitt.
As for whether or not she will stick to calling herself "Hailey Baldwin" professionally, we don't know that. But sources, as seen by a simple Google search, aren't consistently referring to her as Hailey Bieber. The vast majority are still calling her Hailey Baldwin. By contrast, after some time, sources were routinely calling Angelina Jolie "Angelina Jolie Pitt" (but not enough to edge out "Angelina Jolie"). Waiting for the white dress, which is upcoming, isn't the issue. So we still shouldn't change the title of this article to "Hailey Bieber." And, yes, sources have spoken of Baldwin using "Bieber" for her clothing line. Above sources mention that. And regarding this, where, apparently due to sexism in part, you removed mention that Baldwin is the daughter of Stephen Baldwin and is married to Justin Bieber, it belongs in the lead per WP:Lead. But, yeah, other material also belongs in the lead. So I don't mind that bit staying out of the lead for now. I find the removal somewhat humorous, however, given that many people argue that a woman taking a man's last name is sexist and you have insisted on having this article go with the name "Bieber." As for other articles, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments are often (not always) invalid. Any article not following the WP:Common name policy needs to be changed so that it follows it unless it is following another rule at the WP:Article titles policy (which WP:Common name is a part of). As for the supplement page you pointed to, which is essentially an essay (and is not a policy or guideline), yes, we know that Wikipedia should be edited with common sense. Per what I've stated above, I am using common sense. I always edit Wikipedia with common sense. Our WP:Ignore all rules policy is employed sparingly. Otherwise, we would have editors using it all the time as a "get out of jail free" card/as an excuse to do whatever they want. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Previously, I'd confused the Vogue sources. I thought you had added this one. But you actually added the one I pointed to above. Sorry about that. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2019

Please change the photo !!!!!!!!!!!! Ioaaanuh (talk) 10:57, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

It is a terrible picture, but there's nothing better in commons:Category:Hailey Baldwin. Do we ever contact a subject's management company and encourage them to donate an image through commons:Commons:OTRS? – Thjarkur (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2020

"Baldiwn is trained as a classic ballet dancer, but ended that career due to an injury." Please change Baldiwn to Baldwin because it is a spelling error. Carrotheadpotatoes98 (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020

2601:206:8181:490:E17C:CAF5:A089:A173 (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

You did not include she is broken up with Justin Bieber!!

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 22:12, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Change to Hailey Bieber

Why is this page still called Hailey Baldwin instead of Hailey Bieber? Royal Braganza (talk) 08:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

@Royal Braganza: Do you have some links to current news sources that refer to her as Hailey Bieber? —C.Fred (talk) 14:45, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8141659/amp/Hailey-Bieber-flaunts-swimsuit-bod-poses-Kelia-Moniz-Roxy-x-Sister-collection.html Royal Braganza (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Daily Mail is WP:NOTRS (WP:DAILYMAIL) – does somebody have an actual WP:RS reference to verify that she goes by her married name, esp. professionally?! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Why not use the reference you used when mentioning her birth name in the lead? It was this one by Vogue. Vogue is considered reliable by WP:RSPSOURCES and in the article it states "Hailey Bieber (née Baldwin)". If it's fit enough to be a ref for her married name in the lead, shouldn't it fit the article title as well? Iopezlove (talk) 19:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 3 January 2021

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move, after extended time for discussion. BD2412 T 05:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hailey Baldwin → Hailey Bieber – The subject of this article appears to currently go by her married name, Hailey Bieber. Recent coverage varies with some articles using Baldwin, others Bieber. Several even use both names interchangeably. I believe some weight should also be given to the subject's personal choice as demonstrated by her verified social media accounts: Instagram Facebook TikTok. Per WP:NAMECHANGES, I think we should evaluate the recent coverage to assess which name is best for this article. TJMSmith (talk) 05:18, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: I note this reverses
 01:03, 19 December 2018 Flyer22 Frozen talk contribs block  45 bytes +45  Flyer22 Reborn moved page Hailey Bieber to Hailey Baldwin over redirect: Per WP:Common name.

There is unfortunately no real point in pinging the mover as they retired from Wikipedia over a dispute. I am not opposed to the move but think it well to acknowledge this past activity. Andrewa (talk) 03:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I looked at WP:ABOUTSELF. It doesn't concern article titles. ReaperRoe (talk) 18:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose per ReaperRoe. MarioJump83! 23:33, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2021

Hello Can the picture be replaced. there are so many clear pictures that show her full real beauty! please!! Ducklingquack (talk) 08:31, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Elizium23 (talk) 08:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
please change the existing photo to https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/elm030120wlhailey0011a-1580403651.jpg?resize=480:*

it is an elle photoshoot pic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ducklingquack (talk • contribs) 07:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

No can do, my good man! That photo is copyrighted! We need to use free media here on Wikipedia. Please choose an image from Wikimedia Commons, and then we can talk consensus. Elizium23 (talk) 14:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

how about this?

File:HaileyRhodeBieber.jpg

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ducklingquack (talk • contribs) 15:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Ducklingquack, no, we will be deleting that, because you lifted it from the Internet and falsely claimed it as your own work. Elizium23 (talk) 15:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

ok i gave deletion request. sorry what about this? when i uploaded it.. it said somethinng like creator has to mail and all.. i dont understand it.. but can u please find some pictures of her that shows her full beauty

File:Hailey Rhode.png
Hailey Bieber

Requested move 12 October 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Hailey Baldwin → Hailey Baldwin –Bieb Ms Baldwin has been married for two years to (now ex husband) Justin bieber , the virtual majority of reliable sources have referred to her as Hailey gremlin Baldwin . Cosmopolitan, TMZ, Vogue, USA Today, Teen Vogue, Bustle, InStyle, Yahoo! (multiple times), British Vogue, among countless other sources. Mrs Bieber herself even told Bustle (story via Fox News though ironically the Fox News article uses Hailey Baldwin in the title), told them that she changed her name to Bieber because “I always wanted to add his name to mine because i wanted the fame and money, im just so better!!!!!" Per reliable sources and WP:COMMONNAME, the title should be changed to Hailey Baldwin. In addition, WP:NAMECHANGES states that we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. Considering that the virtual majority of sources are using her old name, it is apparent the title should be changed. Though not policy and is not recognized per WP:COMMONNAME, it is respectful to use the name she chooses, akin to Caitlyn Jenner and Elizabeth Manning Chelsea Manning. Mrs Baldwin also uses her married name on Instagram here and on Facebook here. cookie monster 755 17:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment – also the title should be changed per WP:SPNC because this event meets WP:BLPSELFPUB criteria 1 and 4. cookie monster 755 17:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:NAMECHANGES.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:16, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. I see no reason not to use the name she prefers. This should have been moved earlier. -- Calidum 16:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Support now that the media has caught up with the name preference. But I searched the names, and I found that media outlets, including some the OP listed, are still routinely referring to her as Hailey Baldwin. Calidum says this should have been moved earlier. When? In 2018? 2019? Because the above discussions don't support that outlook. Except for transgender cases, we usually don't base these moves on what the person prefers. If we did, maybe the common name policy wouldn't exist. Wikipedia was right to wait before moving this article. Even the Manning and Jenner transgender cases the OP mentioned were debated, and editors waited. 103.77.192.12 (talk) 00:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
To answer your question: At least ten months ago, when this was last proposed. -- Calidum 20:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


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Awards

She won two awards: style influencer of the year 2017 and fashion media personality award 2018 she also got named sexiest women of 2017 by maxim so might add that. Lululabiondina (talk) 19:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

you’re right. Msmsrrs (talk) 02:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Career information is poor

Her achievements and work is not updated. As of 2018 until now, information about her career is minimal and in recent years she has not really been successful with many of big brands and names. Msmsrrs (talk) 02:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Health section

Unresolved
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Where it states she has had a stroke it needs changing to TIA, transient ischemic attack, although she has not called it by this, this is what she is describing on Instagram (didn't really happened did it for likes and views). 92.19.193.42 (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done Checked the source to confirm that it was not a stroke but only "stroke like symptoms". I do not think it is our place to comment on it further. Lokfahrer (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Subheading formatting error

Change the "Personal branding" sub-subheading's formatting (add a line break) Footbag123 (talk) 16:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2021

Her name is Hailey Bieber not Baldwin because i think she changed her name right? 173.70.92.84 (talk) 16:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Her current name is mentioned in the article. If you think the article should be renamed to reflect it - which we do not always do, see WP:COMMONNAME, feel free to open a requested move. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 17:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I think the page should be changed back to Hailey Baldwin. I heard she does not use Hailey Bieber in professional life. 173.79.128.173 (talk) 05:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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