Talk:Haida

Copyright violation

It appears that at least a chunk of this article has been copied verbatim from Haida Art. I'll remove the two paragraphs obviously copied and stick a copyright violation template on. Pfly (talk) 02:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't remove any text, not realizing the copyright violation template would be so...powerful. So I left the article as it was when I came across it today. A further point of confusion here is that this is tagged a disambiguation page. The main page seems to be Haida people. Pfly (talk) 03:33, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right, there already is an article. Aside from the book, I found copyvios from http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=5171, http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=5100, http://www.ani-kutani.com/nativeamericanfacts/alaskaallotmentact.htm, etc. Historylink is CC-licensed but non-commercial.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:45, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Haida → Haida (disambiguation) – Please see Talk:Haida people#Requested move and centralize discussion there. Skookum1 (talk) 07:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support the primary topic is the people. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 07:49, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Please make that same "vote" on Talk:Haida people#Requested move.Skookum1 (talk) 07:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
    • I'd rather not have another user call be a meatpuppet. Since you placed that accusation against me, if I just follow that suggestion, I'm pretty sure another user will just dump it out again. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 07:11, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
      • I meant to withdraw that comment after your rebuttal, sorry. If you received as much opposition as I have from certain parties, and given your command of wikipedia procedures, that you might be a registered user not logged in was on my mind; but it's OK for registered users to not log in, so yes I was out of line, defensiveness rearing its head. Nobody will delete your vote of your post on talkpages; if anyone does someone else will revert it quickly.Skookum1 (talk) 07:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose as Haida dab shows many meanings, including that Haida is the old German name for Nový Bor. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I've replied as you know to this same point on Haida people#Requested move. "Haida" also means, phonetically, "Hi over there" (hei da!) in Norwegian but it's scarcely any more relevant than the old German name for Nový Bor.Skookum1 (talk)!~
    • Hainan University shouldn't be on there; its nickname in Chinese (presumably why that's here) has nothing to do with English-language usage.Skookum1 (talk) 10:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.

There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people". — kwami (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• • That issue is not directly germane to this rename. The disambiguation pages at "X" can be moved to "X (disambiguation)" on primary topic concerns. That is not the same as whether the ethnic groups should move from "X people" to "X". "X" can redirect to "X people", "X" needn't be a disambiguation page, instead "X people" can have a hatnote indicating {{redirect|Haida}}
    "Haida" redirects here. For other uses, see Haida (disambiguation).
    -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:19, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support as per the policy Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names and the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). There is no need to redo any guideline as it already supports the un-disabiguated title. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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view stats per PRIMARYTOPIC

I did not have the time, due to RM issues elsewhere, to get back here with view stats before it was (IMO) prematurely closed, in a close where invalid/specious votes were given credence, which they should not have been.

Per the specious claims in the oppose votes that other items on this page, including things that aren't even named the same (Novy Bor, Hainan University), here are view stats for all titles on the page, ranked in order of hits:

• "Haida people" - 3626 times this month so far, 9181 times last month
• "Haida Gwaii" - 3091 times this month, 7748 times last month
• "Haida language" - 1086 times this month, 2392 times last month
• "HMCS Haida (G63)" - 693 times so far this month, 1829 times last month
• "Haida argillite carvings" - 285 times so far this month, 922 times last month
• "Hainan University" - 279 times so far this month, 690 times last month
• "Haida manga" - 166 times so far this month, 623 times last month
• "Council of the Haida Nation" - 140 times this month so far, 484 times last month
• "Novy Bor" - 113 times this month so far; even if this were 5000 hits, the article's name isn't "Haida", 90 times last month
• "USCGC Haida (WPG-45)" - 70 times so far this month, 159 times last month
• "USS Argus (PY-14)" - 65 times this month, 238 times last month
• "Haida Islands" - 47 times so far this month, 123 times last month

• This underscores the invalidity of In Ictu Oculi's "oppose" vote, which said "Oppose as Haida dab shows many meanings, including that Haida is the old German name for Nový Bor." (as if the name in German were relevant to English usage, never mind the stats), and also of either gullibility to specious/unfounded oppose votes or laziness or lack of intellectual depth on the part of the editor who decided to close this "not moved".

• The PRIMARYTOPIC is clear, the original title of the people article was "Haida".....this bad-call RM result will be overturned, somehow, as others of this same kind. Don't point me at Move Review, that further procedure shouldn't be necessary and given the failure of this procedure to address the facts I don't see why trusting procedure any further is of any use at all (never mind how I get treated in such places).

• No doubt this will be claimed to be an "outburst" but I'm getting tired of obstruction and the lack of real thought in "procedure" and the knee-jerk counter-votes like were made here (without any substance behind them). This should just be admin-moved; the stats are clear, as is the reality of the use of "Haida" by itself in English.Skookum1 (talk) 07:41, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Haida in popular media

In the popular podcast "TANIS" the Haida (and a ton of fictionalized information about them) are heavily featured. Not sure if this would be a good addition to this page or not. Tanis has a wiki page - https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Tanis_(podcast) and so is notable, but their depictions of the Haida although being highly plot relevant were completely historically inaccurate. Just wanted to mention it. Azotochtli (talk) 17:45, 1 May 2018 (UTC)