Talk:Ha*Ash

Language concerns

Please clean up the English on this page. It is quite non-idiomatic. Amber388 13:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Article is possibly lifted from another site - needs to be re-written.

This article needs to be re-written. I was reading it contemplating an edit because it is cited as having spelling errors. I came across a word, "epynomus", that I was not familar with. When I did a Yahoo search on it, the word appears on sites that the exact same spelling and all are about Ha-Ash. What a coincidence? NOT! If you don't believe me, do an internet search on "epynomus" and you will find mostly result hits with Ha-Ash and that word. Here is one example: [1]. Ronbo76 05:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• The reason you see that same language at the answers.com site is that answers.com is using Wikipedia content- please read the title above the article which cites Wikipedia. Rjhatl 17:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Initial suggestion is to delete the biography section which is the lifted material

Most of the article "borrowed" or copied from another site appear in the biography section. I recommend deleting that section and beginning the article anew. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ronbo76 (talk • contribs) 05:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Why is this group mis-named?

This group's name is Ha-Ash. Why are they called "Ha*Ash" here? 71.142.221.66 22:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, check the official website, they seem to use Ha*Ash and Ha-Ash sparingly, although the CDs are spelled Ha*Ash (with a star not an asterisk).Solid Reign 23:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The group's name comes from combining the first names of the singing duo (Hanna and Ashley); thus, they are Ha-Ash in print and most media listings. An asterisk or star would probably be used on a CD as a form of embellishment. Recommend change to the way their name appears in print and as displayed in CD bins: Ha-Ash Ronbo76 23:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Notoriety?

The article was tagged by an editor who questioned the notoriety of Ha-Ash. I'm not sure why this is still there, as the article points out that they've released several albums, and had songs on hit charts. Is there a concern I'm missing, or can we go ahead and take the notoriety template off? Rjhatl 17:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Powerpop

I think Powerpop should be added to their genres. Allison isn't powerpop by the way.

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ha*Ash/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

This article needs to be re-written. I was reading it contemplating an edit because it is cited as having spelling errors. I came across a word, "epynomus", that I was not familar with. When I did a Yahoo search on it, the word appears on sites that the exact same spelling and all are about Ha-Ash. What a coincidence? NOT! If you don't believe me, do an internet search on "epynomus" and you will find mostly result hits with Ha-Ash and that word. Here is one example: [2]. Ronbo76 05:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Last edited at 05:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 16:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

"Ashley Grace" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ashley Grace. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Nationality of duo

The members are American, born in US and both reside in US. Origin as a musical duo is in the US. They create Latin music that is popular in Mexico and some is produced there. The members have Mexican ancestry but are not Mexican nationals and don't live or work there. They are signed to an American label Sony Music Latin. The most accurate description is the duo is an American duo specializing in Latin music. Some press coverage states they are Mexican-American but that is just how some outlets describe Americans of Mexican descent and has no meaning beyond that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Exactly, you talk about the fact that their nationality makes them an American group, what would happen if I told you that they do have Mexican nationality?

In Mexico there is a consultation system, where we can obtain publicly and free of charge our "Clave Única de Registro de Población" [Unique Key of Population Registration, in English] (CURP). an instrument that serves to individually register all the people who live in Mexico, nationals and foreign residents, as well as Mexican people who live in other countries. This registration key is assigned moments after a boy or girl is registered before any Civil Registry Office, because to obtain said key, the main document needed is a birth certificate. So with the data already known about Hanna and Ashley, I set out to find out if they were both in this public record. and finally after searching for a while I found that each one of them is registered in this, therefore it makes them official Mexican citizens. Therefore, we conclude that Hanna and Ashley not only feel Mexican, but that they have the legal basis to say so, since they have legally and officially held Mexican citizenship since May 2003. Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 22:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if this makes you change your mind about the aforementioned, but I currently have evidence to confirm what I already said (IT IS VALID TO CLARIFY THAT THE INFORMATION WE ARE GOING TO SHOW IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, NO PRIVATE INFORMATION IS BEING DISCLOSURED) and finally we can put an end to this great fight of editions.

P.S. I currently don't know how to send you the tests Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 22:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Reference in article says their grandfather is Mexican, not just Mexican descent. With a Mexican grandparent to sponsor them they could obtain Mexican nationality relatively easily if they wanted it. For use in the article would need a reliable secondary source that reported that that is what happened. WP:BLPPRIMARY says we can't directly use official records as a references. Some other reliable source would have to do the investigation and report it and we could then use official records as a supplement to that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

So if, for example, a person is born in Brazil and is legally Brazilian and in his adulthood goes to live in the USA, he is no longer Brazilian because he lives there. And if what you say is real, until when could the nationality of both be changed on Wikipedia? Is it necessary for your own company to give an article where they report that both are Mexican? And if so, would it be possible for his biography to be changed to "Mexican-American" in the 49 languages ​​into which it is translated? Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Each wiki project has their own rules and standards, I am only going with the English Wikipedia rules and standards. MOS:CONTEXTBIO covers what we say in bio articles. CONTEXTBIO covers the reasons and how we report it in articles including the example you posited. It matter whether or not the person had done notable activities in both countries or just one. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

What you are saying is not accurate – in your example, he would be known as "...an American singer" (or "actor", or whatever in the example), and that is what we would put in the lede. However, if such a person had significant a singing (or acting, etc.) career in both countries, then the lead would say "...is a Brazilian and American singer" (or "actor", or whatever). What it would not say "...is Brazilian-American..." – not only does that violate MOS:ETHNICITY, but it would also be straight up inaccurate/wrong in the example given. It also almost certainly would not say "...is a Brazilian-born American singer..." as this is usually too trivial factually to be included in the lede. But it also doesn't surprise me that non-English Wikis get this wrong – they seem to have generally lower standards (due to having few editors). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Different language wikis use rules related to how their language describe things. Some like dewiki are very strict and precise with a large editor base. It is interesting to look at es:Ha*Ash and de:Ha*Ash to see how they handle the nationality issue for this topic. I would have expected eswiki to latch on to Mexican link but they don't. "Ha*Ash es un dúo estadounidense​​ de pop country originario de Lake Charles, Luisiana". Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it is a good time to change the origin of the group, most of the people who know them through their music know that they are Mexican and I faithfully believe that a label of "Mexican-American" would be fine, besides it is not like that. going against Wikipedia's ethnicity rules. I know they don't currently live in Mexico, but they spent most of their lives in both the US and Mexico, and most of their major activities are in Mexico, but I also don't want the "American" label to be removed. Just because they don't have important activities in that country, I have the references that show that both are Mexican citizens since before they debuted, but first I need your opinion to make an edition of this type @Geraldo Perez Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 14:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

My stance on this hasn't changed since my first posting here as nothing has factually changed. Members born in US. Group origin is US. Signed to American label. Members reside and work in US. Duo is an American duo specializing in Latin music. Lead section explains this well and is sufficient. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:16, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I understand, but the fact that they currently work from the US does not mean that they have not done so before in Mexico, they are not only of American origin, nothing more, the article itself indicates that they are also of Mexican origin, they have lived and worked in Mexico, the only problem you have with this is the duo was created in Lake Charles. Nationality is a purely legal concept, in the case of them having been born in the United States and raised between their native country and Mexico they have nationality or if you are born there to foreign parents, you have dual nationality. In this case, the definition can be affected by your immediate origins or how you define yourself. And they define themselves as Mexican-American, the duo could have been formed in either of the two cities, as much as in Lake Charles or in Mexico City, since they both lived there. In the change history there were 0 reasons to change the nationality of the group, since although "it is a duo... originally from Lake Charles, Louisiana" it could be argued with "it is a Mexican-American duo originally from Lake Charles, Louisiana" rescuing the idea that both are Mexican-Americans before creating the duo and being nationalized. Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 17:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

This article is about the musical group formed in 2002, not its members. The duo is an American legal entity separate from its members, created and based in the US. The the Mexican-American ethnicity of the members isn't really relevant. For comparison American groups, The Supremes consists of African-American members, Santana was formed by a Mexican-American. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)