Talk:Hōsei Tsukitei

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography

Japan: Owarai Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project, participate in relevant discussions, and see lists of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 00:42, December 20, 2024 (JST, Reiwa 6) (Refresh)JapanWikipedia:WikiProject JapanTemplate:WikiProject JapanJapan-related

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by the Owarai task force.

WikiProject Japan to do list:

Peer review: None
A-class review: None

Featured content candidates –

Articles: None
Pictures: None
Lists: None

Good article nominations: Vinland Saga (TV series), Godzilla Minus One
Add requested images to articles that need them.
Pages for Deletion: Participate in Japan-related deletion discussions.
Improve and expand Japan-related stubs.
Create some requested articles.
Help translate an article from the Japanese Wikipedia into English.
Assess unassessed articles

On 27 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Tsukitei Hōsei. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Unreferenceable Facts

The main Gaki no Tsukai Wikipedia page is filled with facts that are derived from simply watching the show, I don't see how that differs from this article. For example, the point about his unique nicknames is quite obvious and occurs often on the show. Pages on television shows can't be referenced in the normal fashion. The pronunciation of his name was taken from the Japanese Wikipedia article about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soursimon (talk • contribs) 12:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you read WP:BLP you'll see that facts that cannot be verified or referenced should not be included in articles about living people. Japanese Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources for verifying details like this. And if the Downtown no Gaki no Tsukai ya Arahende!! also contains unsourced details about living persons, then they should probably be removed too. --DAJF (talk) 13:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: article not moved Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{WrestleMania XXVIII} _{The Undertaker 20–0} 05:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hōsei Yamasaki → Hōsei Yamazaki – It was established during the airport batsu game that his name is spelled ヤマザキ in katakana, which translates to YAMAZAKI in rōmaji. The evidence can be found on the "dying message" left by the cabin attendant that was shot "dead" by the lead terrorist. 87.56.190.49 (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. His official Yoshimoto profile indicates that it is Yamasaki, as does the Yahoo talent profile. We'll need a lot more convincing evidence than one gag in a TV show if a page move is to be proposed. --DAJF (talk) 15:18, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Both of those are in Japanese. While the kanji are usually read "yama" and "saki", it is not unusual for s to change to z in compound words and names, along with a change in pronunciation. 87.56.190.49 (talk) 18:11, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The issue here is not about the kanji, but about how the name is read for this particular person. Both the official Yoshimoto profile and Yahoo talent profile above clearly show that the name is read "Yamasaki" and not as "Yamazaki". --DAJF (talk) 22:55, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: His surname is currently read as "Yamasaki". It does not matter if someone misspelled his name in Japanese as part of a gag. While it is true that "山碕" is usually pronounced as "Yamazaki", there is no reason to suggest that we change his name just because of that more prevalent reading when the man himself uses "Yamasaki".—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: We could only possibly accept a gag on a comedy show as a source if it is backed up by official profiles or databases. But those give another reading. Can you show the gag itself did not involve the misreading of his name? Michitaro (talk) 23:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Yamasaki/Yamazaki

Just to give some clarification...it's common in the language for "s" sounds to blend/blur into "z" sounds, whether in specific instances or as part of casual speech (the same way that the "n" sound blurs into the "m" sound, which misleads some of us to spell "shinbun" as "shimbun." "Yamazaki" is definitely an accepted way to say his name, but his name is 100% "Yamasaki." 24.207.209.196 (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention of his name change in the article or a section for it and why he did it. I have this http://www.tokyohive.com/article/2012/12/comedian-yamasaki-hosei-to-change-his-name-starting-in-2013/

but not sure how to place it, if somebody could extract the information and place it in, that'd be great 184.167.132.106 (talk) 15:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Badly formatted references

This page has a number of references with broken citation parameters. Some of these links are Japanese. I've forgotten nearly all of the Japanese I once studied, so I'd rather not tamper with them — could someone who knows Japanese please attend to that? Thanks. David Cannon (talk) 14:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, that might be my fault as this was my first time contributing to Wikipedia and so there's a lot of formatting rules I'm unfamiliar with, sorry. I feel your knowledge on Wikipedia formatting would serve better here and as I don't know Japanese either please feel free to fix it up regardless. Let me know if you have a question about a link I contributed. I hope I'm using this reply thing right. Moonpin 14:53, 28 December 2015 (GMT)

Requested move 27 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:26, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hōsei Tsukitei → Tsukitei Hōsei – Rakugo's kōza names and other similar Japanese pseudonyms (sumo's shikona, and sumo/kabuki myoseki) are generally anglicized with family name first. See for example Rakugo#Notable_rakugoka, Xie1995 (talk) 14:15, 27 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 08:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: But perhaps relist again? I note that this would reverse

06:22, 14 March 2013 DAJF talk contribs block  29 bytes +29  DAJF moved page Tsukitei Hōsei to Hōsei Tsukitei: Conventional name order for Japanese persons born post-Meiji (after 1868)

The contributor in question has not been active here or on commons since 2018, so there is no point in pinging them, and they have no email link. But the comment on dates seems relevant. The subject is certainly post 1868, while many other notable rakugoka were not, see Rakugo#Important contributors. Andrewa (talk) 08:51, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.