Talk:Grindr/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Wikipedia is not a discussion forum

Just a reminder - Wikipedia is not a forum for discussing the article's subject. Please see WP:FORUM for more information. This page is for discussing how to add encyclopedic content to this article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

BLP problem with gayasianmale.net

The section on controversy uses http://www.gayasianmale.net/issues/racism/grindr-asian as a source, this in turn refers to fab (magazine). Unfortunately, the gayasianmale article includes a number of screen shots that (unless they are faked) appear to out users of Grindr taken from the attack site http://www.douchebagsofgrindr.com. I propose these attack sites are removed on the basis that they fail Reliable sources (possibly just referring to the article in fab magazine) and the text limited to what has been published in reliable sources. I can see no benefit to Wikipedia in linking readers of the encyclopaedia to websites that invade people's personal lives by permanently publishing their profiles without permission to show they are seeking sexual partners using Grindr, when the people involved are neither public figures and the public benefit rationale of including these particular images with the associated criticism of Grindr would be so weak. --Fæ (talk) 07:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Tumblr Blog is a Reliable Source / Proposal

The tumblr blog in question is called stopracismandhomophobiaongrindr.tumblr.com It shows exactly the kind of criticism that Grindr is facing from some of its users in relation to allowing racist and homophobic language to be posted on profiles. Furthermore, it quotes direct communication from Grindr on its stance in relation to profile statements such as "no Asians" and "No femmes". Editing this blog as "unreliable" is merely an attempt to quash a site that represents the views of a sizeable (and growing) number of Grindr users who think Grindr should take a more active role in stopping this kind of language within the community. I believe wikipedia is a source of information where people are looking for all information regarding a topic, not just information that served as a PR tool for one organisation.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamaflame (talk • contribs) 08:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You appear to be connected with stopracismandhomophobiaongrindr.tumblr.com as I can see comments there, timed just before your post here, referencing this discussion and appearing to claim that I work for Grindr. Wikipedia is not a forum for lobbying and just because someone disagrees with you over whether an single purpose attack blog can be considered a reliable source, does not mean they must be being paid by Grindr to do so. The website stopracismandhomophobiaongrindr.tumblr.com is reposting personal Grindr profiles without permission, Grindr profiles and photographs are intended to be shared with other users, not reposted for ridicule and such activity does make your tumblr blog an attack website. Please review Conflict of interest and you can ask for independent advice on how to contribute here in your situation on Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. --Fæ (talk) 09:07, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the following text while it is under discussion:

Critics of this language claim Grindr has a responsibility to the gay community to ensure such language is moderated.stopracismandhomophobiaongrindr.tumblr.comwww.gayasianmale.net/issues/racism/grindr-asian Grindr has stated that in its view, such language is not racist or homophobic, but merely sexual preference.stopracismandhomophobiaongrindr.tumblr.com

I suggest that alternative sources that do not repost Grindr profiles without permission (or used for ridicule) are used as sources. As previously suggested, articles such as the one in Fab (magazine) are a far more suitable source if the proposed text can be limited to what those sources say, rather than repeating material from what appear to be lobbying articles or potentially attack sites. --Fæ (talk) 10:16, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Are Grindr Employees / Related Individuals Editing the "Controversy" Section

Every time someone edits this section, it is always changed to support the idea that there is really no controversy at all. I agree Grindr has official policies in place, but the argument is that they are not enforced as much as they say, and also that they have stated that the comments of NO ASIANS etc are not racist comments. This stance of Grindr continues to be edited out of this section, despite written proof to the contrary. What can we do here, because I strongly believe Grindr employees are unfairly editing out criticism of this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.142.249.81 (talk) 06:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I am not a Grindr employee and I would like to help you contribute to this article. The major issue in the past has been that Wikipedia is not a discussion forum so if new content is added then it has to come from a reliable source rather than an individual's personal essay. In the past people have attempted to add content from personal blogs and other self-published sources, and these cannot be used to verify data. Do you have some good sources that you can share here? I would like to improve this article with you. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Well I have an email from grindr which verifies that they do not consider statements like NO ASIANS to be racist. Unfortunately when I read the entry on grindr it reads like a PR statement directly from the company's people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.144.164.194 (talk) 09:02, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia contains content from publicly published reliable sources. Since no one else can see your email, it does not meet WP:verification requirements. Also if you self-publish the email, that is considered to be your original research and cannot be included on Wikipedia. The sort of information which can be included on Wikipedia is content published by someone who other people recognize as expert in a field. Do you understand? I hope that when you read this article you think that it reads like the sources cited in the references, which has not been written by Grindr's PR people. Please try to find neutral third-party published sources. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

How about we lock the article so Grindr employees (read: they sit around on their ass all day while, never addressing the app's problems) can't edit it? --98.246.156.76 (talk) 03:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

This is against Wikipedia policy and if you check this article's editing history this does not seem like a problem anyway. Why not consider developing the article yourself? I just added some sources to cite in the article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Has the Grindr employee vandalism stopped? If it doesn't stop, locking the article should be a considered. --98.246.156.76 (talk) 21:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Further chaff removed from the criticism section

I am not a Grindr employee either (not all Wikipedians are). I have trimmed unsourced material and that material promoting attack websites as previously mentioned. Being called a "parody website" in the article text, does not stop these sites being attack sites and does not make them encyclopaedic. --Fæ (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The page is looking better now. I think there is a nice balance that is presenting a more complete picture. The Douchebags of Grindr attack website has been promoting itself on here for the last two weeks, just wondering why this site is still up where others are not!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.142.249.81 (talk) 06:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Emotive Language in History Section

Quote: "Grindr is the only exclusively gay app to be nominated – not to mention the first gay app to win the coveted title of Best Dating App". Is 'coveted title' appropriate? Perhaps "Grindr is the only exclusively gay app to be nominated – and the first gay app to win the award for Best Dating App" instead?

Sevenisloud (talk) 15:53, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Information about who owns Grindr?

Would somebody be able to add the information about who or what company owns and operates Grindr? And which country they operate from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:E007:2032:1:D03F:826D:555F:325D (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Data privacy issue: was the data encrypted? And was it send to advertising companies and not only "technical" ones?

Hi, should the info be added?

HIV data:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/grindr-hiv-status-privacy
«Grindr was sharing its users’ precise GPS position, “tribe” (meaning what gay subculture they identify with), sexuality, relationship status, ethnicity, and phone ID to other third-party advertising companies. And this information, unlike the HIV data, was sometimes shared via “plain text,”»

https://www.rappler.com/technology/news/199441-grindr-hiv-data-handling-scandal
«Sensitive data is encrypted when sent»

Other data shared with advertising companies.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/grindr-hiv-status-privacy
«Grindr was sharing its users’ precise GPS position, “tribe” (meaning what gay subculture they identify with), sexuality, relationship status, ethnicity, and phone ID to other third-party advertising companies. And this information, unlike the HIV data, was sometimes shared via “plain text,”»

Does anyone has more sources?

Tuxayo (talk) 18:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Add information re: minors on Grindr

A recent study shows that one in four gay and bisexual boys between 13 and 17 are on the app, 69% have had sex with someone on the app, and only 25% use condoms. — Thesciencenewsonline (talk) 22:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

The above proposed material is WP:Undue and WP:COI-motivated. It should not be added. Also see WP:SCHOLARSHIP. There is no valid reason to relay this single-study material. And unless a source calls something a controversy or criticism, we should not either. Otherwise, it falls under WP:Synthesis. — Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

There is much more than this single study. — Thesciencenewsonline (talk • contribs) 02:06, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

References

Cultural impact of Grindr

Included in this Wikipedia page should be a section discussing the cultural impact Grindr has had on the gay community as well as on pop culture. In the gay community, Grindr made finding sex as easy as just a few clicks away. Not to mention, Grindr inspired many other apps that try to follow in its footsteps. — Tuckerkaufman (talk) 05:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

A "Legacy" or "Cultural Impact" section COULD work, but only with very very good sources. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum, so any information added should be encyclopedic content. — Massmediazealot (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

"In popular culture" section

I am thinking of adding an "In popular culture" section that details all of the times Grindr has been mentioned in TV shows and movies (like Glee, Will & Grace, Family Guy, The Ellen DeGeneres Show, Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen, Jimmy Kimmel Live, and Trainwreck, etc.). Is anybody opposed? — Massmediazealot (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Men who have sex with men (MSM)

Hi Bangalamania, sorry to revert your edit but i wanted to open this discussion on inclusion of this term in the lead of the article. Usually MSM is reserved for scientific research and medical terminology. The term gay or queer can include people who do not wish to be labeled or are questioning. AussieWikiDan ^(talk) 12:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

The edit is one sentence saying that the app is for MSM following a sentence saying that it is for gay, etc.

I support adding MSM to the list of users. Gay is a cultural label and MSM is a term for people who are not part of a gay culture, or do not want the label. It is mostly a medical term, but I think it applies to hookup services too. Also Bangalamania cited sources applying this term to grindr users. Maybe the full sentence is too much but why not include MSM in the list with the others? Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:27, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

There are many MSM who do not wish to be labelled as gay, bi, queer or questioning, regardless of how we define the terms. As you both say, the term is used a lot in scientific research papers and there are tonnes of such papers which mention Grindr as an app popular among MSM – they specifically do not use labels for sexual orientations, but actions. It is not the same as the terms used in the article (notably, the terms used by Grindr itself, not a third party) and warrants a mention. I'm happy with the sources being trimmed and it only being a mention rather than a whole sentence, though. –Bangalamania (talk) 13:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes I agree it is something that is not covered in the current terminology completely. I guess as it is not mentioned in the lede in a lot of other similar articles is why I wanted to discuss. A more trimmed mention would be great and one citation would be enough for the lede. Thanks for discussing, AussieWikiDan ^(talk) 14:58, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem! And yeah I totally understand that, although some articles have similar language (e.g. Scruff mentions that they are for "men seeking men"). —AFreshStart (talk) 17:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC) p.s It's still Bangalamania; my Wikipedia name change just came through...

Norwegian fine now finalized - 65.000.000 NOK

https://www.forbrukerradet.no/side/grindr-hit-with-e-6-2-million-fine-in-response-to-complaint-from-the-norwegian-consumer-council/
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Canon sarith

new account fantastic 117.20.117.52 (talk) 09:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)