Talk:Greenfield High School (Massachusetts)

References

Per the last edits on the page, the WP:OVERCITE on the first sentence is indeed significant. These sources were added in to preserve information found at AfD, but they are better placed here on the talk page, where editors can review them and decide if anything can be added to the article based on them. I will now remove the WP:OVERCITE.

• Contrada, Fred (2012-05-02). "Greenfield votes overwhelmingly to fund new high school". The Republican. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Serreze, Mary C. (2015-09-02). "Brand-new Greenfield High School opens its doors (Photos)". The Republican. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Contrada, Fred (2014-08-20). "New Greenfield High School to open Sept. 2". The Republican. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Curtis, Chris (2015-09-01). "First day of (new) school: Shiny new Greenfield High School opens its doors". The Recorder. Archived from the original on 2015-10-06. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Johnston, Thomas (2024-09-20). "Ceremony held to rename athletic fields behind Greenfield High School to "Donna Woodcock Field"". The Recorder. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Cammalleri, Anthony (2024-03-13). "Four Corners principal to take helm at Greenfield High School". The Recorder. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Cammalleri, Anthony (2024-03-08). "Greenfield High School revives Drama Club with production of 'Myth Adventures'". The Recorder. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Poli, Domenic (2024-01-25). "Greenfield High School students appeal to policymakers for help on local issues". The Recorder. Archived from the original on 2024-10-01. Retrieved 2024-10-01.
• Kincade, Katrina (2020-05-06). "Greenfield High School to hold graduation at Franklin County Fairgrounds, followed by parade". WWLP. Archived from the original on 2020-05-15. Retrieved 2024-10-01.</ref>

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Can we all get along?

@Jake Wartenberg: Is it possible to actually add the information discovered during the AfD to the article? If it will be shown that the school is actually 150 years old, and some of the history covered in the article, I would expect there to be much less objection to the existence of this article. Flipping this page between a redirect and not-even-a-stub text does not advance our common goal of writing the encyclopedia. Викидим (talk) 01:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

The problem with most of the sources above is that they are largely primary sources and do not actually tell us much about the school. We cannot synthesise from the sources, which would be WP:OR. Curtis (2015) provides something, but other than this, we are still lacking secondary sources. If you can find any kind of history of the school, we can use that and start to write the article. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

My problem is even simpler: if all we can say about the school is few sentences, these sentences are easy to merge into Greenfield, Massachusetts, thus ending this discussion and saving everybody's time. If, however, a coherent text can be written using independent sources, such demonstration might be convincing for me. The school is indeed quite old (I can see references dated 1852 - establishment of a committee to build a high school). There is an 18-page chapter on the subject of schools in the 1910 book on city history, where the high school is featured prominently. I have added the source to the article and will add one fact, leaving the rest of the work to the editors who are interested in keeping the article. Викидим (talk) 09:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, well we had an AfD about that and the editors who were interested in keeping the article were Left guide and Cunard. Neither has chosen to develop the article nor to continue searching for material we can write the article from. Thanks for adding that source. If we can find sources from which an article can be written, then great. As it stands, I would not oppose a merge, but let's see if that ping can bring in some effort to find sources we can actually build the article from. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Used PD source

While adding school history, I have liberally used a text from Thompson & Kellogg's work (1904), now in public domain. Викидим (talk) 09:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a link to the full public domain text? I don't see it at Open Library. I note from the Google preview that you may be quoting or close paraphrasing from the work. Although the text is in the public domain, we should still summarise the source in our own words. If quoting, we should mark the quotation with quotation marks and cite it explicitly. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Since you have objected to my plagiarism from a public-domain source (properly attributed, but unquoted), I am deleting my contribution. The topic is of no interest to me at all (stumbled upon it as part of WP:NPP), so spending any time paraphrasing the source that we are technically free to simply use with attribution is no fun. Pinging @Left guide, Cunard, and Jake Wartenberg:: the source is listed, its full text is available on Google Books, the future of the article is in your hands (I would also expect that more books on the history of Greenfield exist). Викидим (talk) 11:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)