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Merge with Carolina Dodge Dealers 400

These pages have been merged as its a continuation of the same event on a different date. The support race,Diamond Hill Plywood 200 retains its history despite the date change and other races like AMP Energy 500, Auto Club 500 and Crown Royal Presents The Jim Stewart 400 have retained their history despite a major date change. NASCAR also considers this a continuation of the same event in their annual Official Preview and Press Giude. -- Cmjc80 (talk) 02:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As of 2009 the track took up history of another event held at the track from 1950-2004. This page should not go past the 2008 raceand everything from 2009 - Present should be added to Southern 500 (1950-2004). 66.153.239.134 (talk) 00:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should we put in "Southern 500" for 2009?

the owners of the track, next year, it will have the "Southern 500" name, should i go ahead and rename the article and cite the proper references? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Racerboy (talk • contribs) 18:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I reverted an edit by IP user 72.193.243.170 in which race winners from 1950 through 1959 were removed. I have reviewed the information and feel that although the edit may be valid, the unreviewed deletion of the data by an IP user makes me uncomfortable. I will try to contact a registered user with knowledge of NASCAR to try and establish the validity of the edit. TreacherousWays (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC) Nearly seven months, you haven't followed up? If you aren't going to follow up, you shouldn't remove data. for future NASCAR referencing, try http://racing-reference.info it's 100% accurate. For whatever reason, the chart on the Showtime Southern 500 wiki is horribly inaccurate. At least 2 Southern 500 events are missing, the 1966 event and the 1993 event, and I'm sure plenty in between those dates.[reply]

Southern 500 returned in 2009

Im pretty sure this page should stop in the year 2008. The Southern 500 returned in 2009 as the "Southen 500 presented by GoDaddy.com". That year they brought back the Southern 500 trophy and all of its history so I'm pretty sure that everything from this page from 2009 to 2013 needs to be added/merged with the page "Southern 500 (1950-2004)" and make that the default page for the Bojangles' Southern 500. 66.153.239.134 (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. NASCAR and Darlington Raceway add 2009+ to the 1950-2004 history. It should be like that here too. 166.205.68.27 (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, from a lineage standpoint, the 2009 race is a continuation of the Rebel (Carolina Dodge Dealers 400). All races at Darlington have a lineage that goes to the Rebel 300 of 1957, NOT the Southern 500 that was given to Texas in court. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.204.246 (talk) 11:58, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Moot. Moved to a disambiguated title. Note however that the race is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, not the car, and Dodge Challenger 500 redirects to...Bojangles' Southern 500. Also the redirects are a mess. I'm off to shake the mop at it. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

– The Bojangles' Southern 500 has been moved from the spring to Labor Day weekend and the information about all the races called the Southern 500, including the current Bojangles' Southern 500, is covered in the Southern 500 (1950–2004) article. Meanwhile, this article serves to cover the spring Darlington race before it was renamed to the Southern 500, and should adopt the last race name before the Southern 500 as the title. Dough 48 72 03:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Dodge Challenger 500" should redirect to Dodge Challenger, where the 500 model is documented. The race should be called NASCAR Dodge Challenger 500 -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 04:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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What this includes vs Southern 500

I very much agree with this structure for the pages, however I have a slight fix that I think is necessary. The spring race was lengthened in 2005 to keep a 500 mile race at the track after the fall race. When they renamed in "Southern 500" in 2009, it was the exact same race as 2005-08 but with a different name, while likewise the 2005-08 races bear much more resemblance to the 2009-14 races. Thus I think the 2005-08 races that were 500 miles should be included in the Southern 500 article because the 2005-2014 500 mile races were all the same but the last six were just called "Southern 500". The Rebel 400 race that ran until 2004 was fundamentally different from the 2005-08 Dodge 500s, which were the de facto bridge in the Southern 500. This will greatly reduce confusion and greatly help continuity. AMLNet49-Talk-Cont 15:27, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"I think" does not make it accurate fact. Initially, the series had the idea for the May Darlington 500-mile race in 2005 to be considered a "brand new event," without any actual or implied continuous statistical lineage to the spring race formerly known as the Rebel/TranSouth/Carolina Dodge Dealers 500/400...nor any actual or implied connection to the original Labor Day Southern 500. Research can and likely will find articles to verify and support that. In fact, several articles of the time flatly describe the Southern 500 as gone and formally discontinued.

After a couple years, they quietly revised their thinking, and decided that the May 500-miler would be a statistical continuation of the TranSouth/Rebel/CDDealers 500. When the name of the May race changed to "Southern 500", some people assumed that from now on it was going to be a de facto continuation of the original Labor Day race.

A more accurate lineage of the Darlington races would be described as follows:

The spring race has been from 1957.←

The Southern 500 ran from 1950-2004, then again from 2008-2014, and moves back to Labor Day in 2015. Including the May race from 2005-2008 in the Southern 500 article is revisionist history, and not supported by official statistical publications. Doctorindy↔Talk 21:17, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The correct lineage of Darlington's current race has always been dating to the 1957 Rebel 300. Revisionism has been rampant since the 2009 naming controversy. The Southern 500 ended in 2004. The Rebel 300 has been raced since 1957, and in 2005 the Rebel kept its sponsor and reverted to its Confederate Memorial Day date.

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