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Source Videos where Gonzalo Lira claims to have been tortured in prison

This is his last known video communication.

I'm About To Cross The Border 1/3

I'm About To Cross The Border 2/3

I'm About To Cross The Border 3/3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btakita (talk • contribs) 00:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A very large percentage of this article seems to be with the intent of savaging the reputation of the Gonzalo Lira

Why are there so many reputation savaging claims within such a short biography?125.254.38.254 (talk) 13:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're going to have to be specific. Can you point to a claim that is "reputation savaging" that is not cited to a WP:RELIABLE SOURCE?--Ermenrich (talk) 15:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ermenrich I believe @125.254.38.254 is likely referring to the section which tries to suggest that Lira's YouTube content was "misogynistic" and that it "appealed to incels", and that he promoted the idea for men to "not date women older than 30" or whatever.

The actual fact is -his entire channel was solely meant since the start to be fatherly advice for his son, who was a newborn baby when he started his videos, meanwhile he was already an old man. He's said this fact many times. He never intended nor imagined that his channel would blow up like it did. His video content and the things he said in his videos were created under the fact, as he stated, "by the time my son is an adult and needs that fatherly advice that only a father can give on very adult topics, I will either be dead, or senile."

I believe that in that context, none of his content should be viewed as "misogynistic", every father has every right to desire to make sure their children are safe, taken care of, not used or abused by anyone, and are taught the wisdom they themselves wished they had before making the mistakes they deem as mistakes.

I think now that he's dead, the least this Wikipedia page could do is not slander his name based off of a misunderstanding of what his content actually was intended for.

I'm sorry I'm not able to off-hand cite the videos where he had mentioned this fact, his original channel and all of it's content was taken down. But I'm sure he's mentioned it enough that some of the videos in the archive surely contain his testimony to the fact.

Oh, also, Lira himself had no care for incels, and he stated that many times. He used the word so much I thought it was a term he made up. Never in my life would I have thought the term would eventually be used in description of his audience. 2601:646:8F83:3220:FC58:542E:6010:60F1 (talk) 08:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I notice a lack of any WP:reliable source in that long reply, whereas the "disparaging things" in the article are in fact cited to reliable sources.--Ermenrich (talk) 12:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Daily Beast & NBC News are biased sources that have a Neo Liberal leaning. Gonzalo Lira focused much of his criticism on Neo Liberalism, particularly the Neo Liberal media. These sources are the same companies that Gonzalo Lira has criticized. These news sources seem biased on this topic & do not seem like a reliable source for this topic. Seems more like an political enemy writing an obituary.

The subject, Gonzalo Lira, claimed that the Daily Beast waged a targeted harassment campaign against him, endangering his life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GHmbAGh2E

Perhaps if there some news sources with a similar political opinion to Gonzalo Lira who can corroborate the claims from the NeoLiberal news sources (Daily Beast + NBC News), their claims can be more credible? Btakita (talk) 00:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly do you think Neoliberalism means? And no, we rely on mainstream WP:RS, we’re not going to find some crackpot source to agree with Lira.—-Ermenrich (talk) 01:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not asking for any non-mainstream corporate source not owned by huge pools of capital...with conflicts of interest re: Geo Politics & weapons manufacturing. I have given you videos straight from Gonzalo Lira, who happens to be the subject of this article. I'm asking does anyone else, other than who Gonzalo Lira criticized in detailed ways, back up the claims of the subjects of his criticism. The bias is obvious thus attributing the label of a Reliable News source to these companies does not stand on it's own. Particularly when one of the "Reliable News Sources" was accused of targeted harassment by the subject of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btakita (talk • contribs) 01:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re NeoLiberalism: There's an article on it. Gonzalo Lira said "Globalists" & "System Pigs" in his The Daily Beast Is Trying To Get Me Killed video. I take that criticism as Neoliberalism as the same contemporary cohorts are involved. There are some nuanced differences, but NBC seems to have a Neoliberal perspective. If it has a different label, then apply that label. But Neoliberal seems most apt for NBC. The Daily Beast seems to have an axe to grind & has been accused of targeted harassment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btakita (talk • contribs) 01:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"I'm telling you this to remind you that. The system pigs. The defenders of the narrative. The oligarchs that we have in the west. The people who don't care about your well being. They disappear people. Just like in Argentina in the 1970s & 1980s. They disappear people, never to be heard from again."

-- Gonzalo Lira from his The Daily Beast Is Trying To Get Me Killed video — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btakita (talk • contribs) 01:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]