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Separate Ugbaru article

Ugbaru shouldn't be lumped together with Gubaru if it is considered likely that they are different people, moreover Ugbaru would not be the same name as Gubaru i.e. not the Persian name Gaubaruva, another view is that it is a translation of the name Darius based on the Semitic root g-b-r. Also the date of his death stated in the article is disputed, many place it a year later. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 20:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the specialist , but by using google it seems "Ugbaru" and Gubaru are considered to be the same. If Ugbaru is supposed to be a Persian name , it have to be changed:do you think what's the original Persian name? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When the Nabonidus Chronicle was translated, an assumption was made that Ugbaru was the same as Gubaru. However in the original cuneiform the two names are distinct, Ugbaru being the name of the general who took Babylon and Gubaru being the name of a later governer. "Gubaru" is understandably "Gaubaruva" but "Ugbaru" isn't. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 11:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you . Because of the shape of the names, I do personally think they are different, but to cite it here , we need references. Do you know any ? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whitcomb in his book Darius the Mede points this out. Whitcomb argues that Gubaru matchs Darius the Mede not Ugbaru although he bases this partly on the interpretation that Ugbaru died a few weeks after the fall of Babylon while others (e.g. Shea) interpret the text to mean that Ugbaru died about a year and a few weeks later. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 11:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About the Identity of Darius the Mede , I can say there were no real difference between the Medes and Persians in the old literature,they were so similar that the Greeco-Persian wars were often referred as Greeco-Median wars in the texts of that time.Also that is true in the Persepolis the Medians and Persians are depicted as one or at least equal group. I think Ahasuerus is Artaxerxes I of Persia, and Darius the Mede is Darius II of Persia.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 13:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, there appears to be more than one article here. Twofistedcoffeedrinker (talk) 23:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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