Talk:Gender ideology
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[edit]Not that I disagree with the view propounded in the article here, but it doesn't seem even close to neutral. I'm not sure how to fix it though.Mcc1789 (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Agreed, major POV issues. Crossroads1 (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Is this even worth salvaging?
[edit]I am just shy of nominating this article for deletion. It has many, many problems, which I have tagged. A lot of this is probably because it is a copypaste from RationalWiki, [1] which may itself be an issue - I am not totally familiar with copyright. Most of the references are not even in English. I did not try verifying them at this point.
The topic of "gender ideology" seems like it does not warrant an article. A quick google brought up two kinds of sources for the phrase. (1) Those using them as another word for gender roles, and (2) those by conservatives or talking about them or talking about populist governments. These groups use it as a pejorative for liberal and/or progressive ideas about gender. Maybe that is something worth writing an article about, but more likely, there could easily be an existing article or section that would better belong in, or is already, and I just am unaware of it. In fact, it seems pretty unlikely that 'What conservatives think about what progressives think about gender' is worth an article. At any rate, this article would probably need WP:TNT anyway.
Hoping for other eyes on this. Crossroads1 (talk) 03:59, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Like you and Mcc1789, I really don't know what to do with the article. Seems like we should start with cleanup, including working out definitional aspects. It might be a WP:No page matter. It could fit in the Gender studies article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Or we could split some material and put it in two different articles. But which article "Gender ideology" would redirect to would become a factor. I don't see that it should be a disambiguation page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:00, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Over at the gender studies article, much of this stuff is already touched on. Maybe some of it could be merged over, but the references here are mainly in Italian. I can use GTranslate to read them of course, but it seems less than ideal. The sources already over there seem better. I don't know if any is worth salvaging. This article is only a month old; before that it was a redirect to gender studies for over a year. Maybe we should merge it and make it redirect to gender studies#criticism. Crossroads1 (talk) 17:34, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Sounds like a solution. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Over at the gender studies article, much of this stuff is already touched on. Maybe some of it could be merged over, but the references here are mainly in Italian. I can use GTranslate to read them of course, but it seems less than ideal. The sources already over there seem better. I don't know if any is worth salvaging. This article is only a month old; before that it was a redirect to gender studies for over a year. Maybe we should merge it and make it redirect to gender studies#criticism. Crossroads1 (talk) 17:34, 16 July 2019 (UTC)