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Gelongma

I thought Gelongma was equivalent to Geshe. obviously this is not the case. The Committee of Western Bhikshunis, almost all of these Ven. Bhiksunis have got Getsul and Gelongma ordination, Tenzin Palmo for example has got Gelongma ordination in Hongkong in 1973 that is 36 years ago. Has she finished in the meantime?

Austerlitz -- 83.236.19.10 (talk) 11:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't usually take forty years to progress to gelong ordination, but rather varies from person to person. Many (such as those entering shedra) take both the getsul and gelong vows on the same day. Others progress slowly through the levels. The example given is just one choice to go slowly. Longchenpa (talk) 10:32, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gelong and Geshe

[1] Here it is said, that Ven. Geshe Palden Tsering, born in 1934 in Zakok, took the novice ordination (Tib. ge tsul) at the age of eight (1942?). In 1973 he took the bhikkshu (Tib. gelong) vows of a fully ordained monk. It is not mentioned when he has got his Geshe title/degree.

Austerlitz -- 83.236.19.10 (talk) 11:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gelongma

The First Bhikhuni Ordination in Australia Convened by Lama Choedak Rinpoche
[2] Here it is referred to the above linked article by "The First Bhikhuni (Gelongma) Ordination in Australia"

What is the meaning of Gelongma judging from tibetan origin of the word?

Austerlitz -- 88.75.212.19 (talk) 07:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Bhiksuni Order in Tibetan Buddhism

Geshe

-- 88.75.212.19 (talk) 09:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

glossary

gelongma (Tib. dge slong ma) [Skt. bhikshuni] A fully ordained Buddhist nun.

[3]

-- 88.75.212.19 (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Better sources

I have sources specific to vinaya in my library, specifically the translation of the monastic section of Jamgon Kongtrul's Shes Terzod, Buddhist Ethics (which is an excellent commentary on the three levels of vows in Tibetan Buddhism, thoroughly annotated) and Dudjom Rinpoche's commentary on the Vinaya in Perfect Conduct. There are other books on ordination written by gelongmas, such as Choosing Simplicity. I'll get those and summarize.

I plan to remove the statement that it takes forty years to progress to gelong vows. First, the article is on the gelongma, so we should stick to gelongma examples of which there are plenty.

Second, the number of years it takes to progress to gelong varies from one lineage to another, as well as from person to person. Usually it doesn't take forty years. The Dalai Lama, for example, did not take forty years to progress to gelong, but was a gelong I believe by age 18. It is also common for monks and nuns to take the full gelong vows at around age twenty when they enter shedra, the monastic college. In fact, as I understand it, full ordination has been an prerequisite for some shedras. Longchenpa (talk) 10:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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