Talk:Gay 45

Wrong infos on page

Hi! I am the Razvan Ion you mentioned on the page. I will be grateful if someone correct the infos. First: This phrase should not exist: "Following the first issue's publication, GAY45 founding editor Răzvan Ion and US-born LGBTQ+ rights activist Scott Long appeared on the German radio station Delta Radio, interviewing gay men imprisoned under Article 200." Radio station Dealta was French to be correct and Scott Long we do not know who he is. Maybe for you is not important but the article is 90% wrong. As a person working fo 30 years defending human rights I deserve a little respect and this page to be a correct mention of my work. Please make corrections. 2001:4BC9:A45:A542:4142:708D:E100:F63D (talk) 16:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

My apologies for this! I undid the edits because copied text can cause copyright issues (see Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources). Another editor with more experience will come and help you shortly. QuietCicada chirp 20:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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The article contains:

Following the first issue's publication, GAY45 founding editor Răzvan Ion and US-born LGBTQ+ rights activist [[Scott Long]] appeared on the [[Germany|German]] radio station [[Delta radio|Delta Radio]], interviewing gay men imprisoned under Article 200. The piece is noted as having had a powerful social impact in Romania and "put pressure on the Romanian government to decriminalize homosexuality."<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |title=A country everyone wanted to escape – ODD |url=https://oddweb.org/annuals/2017-2/savaged-pink/a-country-everyone-wanted-to-escape/ |access-date=2024-08-31 |language=en-US}}</ref>

But, when I look at https://oddweb.org/annuals/2017-2/savaged-pink/a-country-everyone-wanted-to-escape/ I do not see Scott Long mentioned.

Google told me that https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/aspasia/17/1/asp170108.xml is possibly the source of the sentence about Scott Long:

People who expressed same-sex desire additionally continued to fear imprisonment, which, among other consequences, entailed violent abuses such as rape or torture. US-born activist for international LGBTQ+ rights, Scott Long, and Romanian activist and editor of Gay45, Răzvan Ion, interviewed gay men who had been imprisoned under Article 200.

The article currently presents this as if they together interviewed these people, although these could be completely separate events.

Over at scena9.ro the Delta Radio story is mentioned, but it appears to be about someone called Adrian Newell Paun.

Polygnotus (talk) 21:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Scott Long also appears at the bottom of https://exhibits.library.utoronto.ca/exhibits/show/queer-romania-in-late-communis/contextnineties/every-day-life-of-queer-romani from the University of Toronto. You may be correct about the events being separate - perhaps changing the wording so it doesn't imply they were together might be good? For the Delta Radio part, according to the Scena 9 link, it seems they've been renamed to Radio France Internationale or "RFI". Limmidy (talk) 21:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, thank you. here both Scott Long and Răzvan Ion appear to be credited as the writers of the story. And the article consistently uses "we", although there are only photos of Scott Long with prisoners. It does not appear to mention anything about a radio station.

https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFI_Rom%C3%A2nia confirms that Radio Delta became Radio Delta RFI and then RFI Romania. So the IP was correct about that, it is not German but French/Romanian. Polygnotus (talk) 22:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

It does appear that way. I definitely can't help you with that image because I don't speak Romanian unfortunately! Although according to https://oddweb.org/annuals/2017-2/savaged-pink/a-country-everyone-wanted-to-escape/, there was a transcript of a broadcasted debate on Delta Radio, but the article then says basically even though the authenticity of the interview couldn't be confirmed, the "Gay45 interview had a powerful social impact" so I'm not too sure about what this all means or how (or if) it connects to be honest. Limmidy (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I also do not speak Romanian, but I uploaded the image to Claude (language model) and it transcribed and translated it for me. It is indeed a bit mysterious. Polygnotus (talk) 21:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

There is also this source:

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports97/romania/Romsex2.htm#2.%20BACKGROUND

where the names of Răzvan Ion and Scott Long appear together in what seems to be the same colaboration as presented on the page from the University of Toronto image. Aristeus01 (talk) 07:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. HRW is an excellent source.

https://www.refworld.org/reference/countryrep/hrw/1998/en/40605

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports97/romania/Romsex4.htm

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports97/romania/Romsex3.htm says The very possibility that Romania's admission to the Council of Europe might hinge on repeal of the law, though, produced a storm. so there must've been some international pressure.

It is a bit confusing that the IP denies knowledge of Scott Long, because if they are who they claim they are then they must know who he is. Polygnotus (talk) 21:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)