Talk:Gabrielius Landsbergis

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falcon collar-pin?

What is the collar-pin about he uses? Looks like a Falcon in hunting position? Is that any group or what does it mean?

Message control, conflict of interest

331dot Longhair Meters ScottishFinnishRadish Materialscientist

I encourage editors to take a look into this article in the context of Dainius Kreivys, Rokas Masiulis (both currently protected) and other Lithuanian politician biographical articles.

Context

Renata3 has applied a stance to editing this article which is novel to the English Wikipedia although typical of the Lithuanian one (no negatives, no matter how well-referenced; information typically from sources directly connected to the political figures, not fact-checked; generally lacking references). In the Lithuanian context this is called "being objective", "being positive", "being non-negative" and occasionally also "defending the country" from "Russian trolls" and Semitic conspiracies.

Often politicians or connected parties edit the articles themselves:

1. Lithuanian Ministry of Energy and likely connected parties edited Dainius Kreivys

2. Mantas Adomėnas edited his bio under his own name and was blocked indefinitely

3. Parties likely related to Mykolas Majauskas objected to information on his sexual offences and impeachment attempts being included in the article

Contested sentence:

Questions have been raised about suspicious business transactions in the context of a potential conflict of interest but the matter did not go to court, although National Tax Inspection did start a formal investigation."Persigalvojo: paviešinus deklaracijas VMI pradėjo su Landsbergiene siejamos bendrovės tyrimą". lrt.lt. Retrieved 12 December 2020.

(rough) Google Translate of the title:

He {the STI} changed his mind: after publishing the declarations, the STI started the investigation of the company related to Landsbergiene {Landsbergis' spouse}.

The source here, LRT, is the national broadcaster governed by an independent board and if anything perceived as leaning towards the current government (where Landsbergis is minister) instead of against it - so editorial partiality can be excluded from consideration.

Removing the contested sentence also removes potential context from the preceding sentence on family wealth and warrants removal of "conflict of interest investigation" from the paragraph heading.

Defending Lithuanian political reputations?

If I remember correctly, Renata3 removed the sentence a couple of months ago (without leaving a reference as to why) and recently Mindaur joined in keeping it off the public edit. Mindaur recently objected on Talk:Dainius Kreivys to Lithuanian politicians being portrayed on the English Wikipedia in negative light (without providing arguments). The current article has also recently been rewritten in a markedly more positive tone.

Analogous edit choices, different editor behaviour

To their credit, Renata3, who also edited the Kreivys article in December 2020, did not remove properly-referenced information on conflict of interest there. Why remove the contested sentence in the current article - how is the situation not analogous?

Maintaining objectivity standard of the English Wikipedia

Excluding mainstream media references covering investigations by anti-corruption, tax, ethics, regulatory, judiciary and other bodies from Lithuanian politicians' Wikipedia articles would set a standard different to political figures elsewhere on English Wikipedia. Lithuanian Wikipedia is outside my interest and scope - I do not read nor edit it. The situation of persistent, extended attempts at spin here and on other Lithuanian politician articles is starting to remind me of the well-documented message control exercises on the English Wikipedia by political figures from Russia, Kazakhstan (?) and elsewhere which have been identified and countered by the community in the past. Let's maintain that standard. --213.170.48.166 (talk) 13:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly do not understand the WP:BLP criteria, confusing it with "objecting on politicians being portrayed in negative light" or refusing to see the difference. It was repeatedly pointed out to you and your fellow random IPs that you need to get familiar with this policy as well as the WP:IMPARTIAL and WP:DUE aspects of WP:NPOV. I already commented about this in Talk:Dainius_Kreivys#Ongoing_message_control,_vandalism. It is becoming increasingly evident that you and/or your fellow anonymous IPs didn't come here to build an encyclopedia. --Mindaur (talk) 13:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why you pinged me to this as I have absolutely no idea who this person is, nor am I equipped to interpret Lithuanian sources. Also this whole post seems pretty long and hard to follow, which doesn't help. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]