Talk:GWR 6800 Class

Betton Grange

The item on Betton Grange seems out of place here, as it wasn't part of the original 6800 class. It's worthwhile though; how about putting it on its own page with a note about it and a link here? If no-one objects I'll do that.Moonraker12 08:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Requires clarification

This is unclear. Were these locomotives built using the actual wheel and motion components (recycled or second-hand) of the previous class, or were they built using new components of the same design as the previous class ?Eregli bob (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Pretty sure that the wheels and motion (at the very least) were taken from withdrawn 43xx class locomotives. The point was that in the late 1930s, low-interest loans were available for new locomotives, but not for the railways to catch up on maintenance. However, the GWR had a number of locos which were not life-expired, but needed heavy overhaul; and it turned out to be cheaper to replace these with new - and to save even more money, components which still had useful life in them were recovered from the locos which were to be replaced, and incorporated into the new locos. In this way, although technically rebuilds, the eighty Granges could go on the balance sheet as "new", and thus chargeable to capital instead of to renewals. Same goes for the first 20 Manors, the ten Castles which bore "Abbey" names, the Dukedog class, also the 3100 (of 1937) and 8100 classes - over 150 altogether.

I'm on hols at the mo, but shall dig out some refs when I get home. The RCTS "Locos of the GWR" series, also Brian Haresnape's "Collett and Hawksworth Locomotives" probably have something; but John C. Gibson's "Great Western Locomotive Design: A Critical Appreciation" definitely has something. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I've expanded the bit about reused components, but still thinking about the financial side of things. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Your comments make interesting reading. They should be added to Locomotives of the Great Western Railway too, once you've found the references. -- EdJogg (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Government guaranteed loan under the Railways (Agreement) Act 1935 (26 Geo. 5 & 1 Edw. 8 c. vi, Royal Assent 20 December 1935) Hansard. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

• Facts about British Railways 1939. Westminster: British Railways' Press Office. 1939. p. 9. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Under this Act, up to £27,000,000 could be raised by the issue of "£2 10s. % Guaranteed Debenture Stock 1951-1952"; £26,190,000 was so raised, of which £18,828,000 had been loaned to the railways by 31 December 1938, "for the purpose of facilitating the finance of certain new works by the Main Line Railway Companies". --Redrose64 (talk) 13:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Wheelsets for the first batch of thirty 'Granges' came from a pool of reconditioned parts obtained from engine numbers 4300/1/4/5/6/8-11/13-15/17/23/24/27-34/36/38-41/44-48/50/51.Tsneal (talk) 14:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal

There is an article GWR 6800 Class 6831 Bearley Grange which is supposedly on just one member of this class - a loco which is not preserved. The article fails to demonstrate why this loco is more notable than the other 79, and thus deserving of its own article. Further, it contains vague content - "The shed allocation of this engine is in dispute and could possibly either be Oxley or perhaps Chester". I suggest that it be merged into this. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support merge -- amazing what's lurking in the backwaters: that 'article' was created in 2005! Cannot dispute your analysis. As a side issue you'll probably want to put Category:GWR 6800 Class up for CFD, as I can't see it gaining more members in the future. -- EdJogg (talk) 08:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Merged: done! --Trident13 (talk) 01:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)