Talk:Fullerton Union High School

Notable alumni?

Here's my detailed explanation of the changes I'm making in the FUHS article today:

• The list is now alphabetised. I didn't see any particular reason for having an ex-president at the top.
• I hope you'll agree that all the people on the list are notable. They all have wikipages, don't they? Doesn't that mean they're notable, automatically?
• As far as the source of the information that they attended FUHS goes, I'm using the "Wall of Fame" list provided by the high school itself. The Wall is located in the school's administrative office and is maintained by FUHS itself. They should know who attended their school, shouldn't they?
• I made a very quick scan through the school's list and may have missed somebody. Please double-check and add anybody I might have missed.
• The few people in the list who aren't on the Wall of Fame are listed as FUHS grads in their wikipages.
• I removed the word "former" from descriptions of several ex-athletes to simplify things. Even the players who are currently performing are liable to become "former" at any time.
• I removed the mention of John Raitt's daughter from his entry. John is notable enough without mentioning Bonnie.

DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning it up. I changed the introductory phrasing and added the "Wall of Fame" reference to each entry. That way if someone comes back and adds John Denver, it will be clear which entries are on the wall of fame and which ones have been added since then. I completely agree with removing the word "former" for the reasons you stated. Finally, notability of individuals is covered by them having pages on Wikipedia. If one wishes to argue the notability of an individual with a page, it can be done by discussing the biographical article at WP:AFD. Conversely, notable alumni are considered notable generally because they have an article; see WP:WTAF for some rationale behind this. tedder (talk) 04:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh- there is one I disagree with re-adding. That is Jonathan Pendragon/Claude Douglas Yarbrough. There's no article for the individual, only an article for the act. Notability isn't inherited, so an article (not a redirect) for the individual should be created first. tedder (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Tedder, I must say that I disagree with your change. I put a fair amount of effort (I don't usually do such big edits) into making the alumni list look good. I think it looks a lot less cluttered without the little "[2]" on the end of most of the entries in the list. Also, I see nothing wrong with the inclusion of Yarbrough/Pendragon. It's only a two-person act and FUHS seems to think he's notable enough to include him in their Wall of Fame. And if anybody tries to add John Denver (heehee!) or any other bogus entries to the list, I'll delete them within the day. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia will be around longer than you. I mean, editors come and go, which is why there's a process behind these things. Individual items can be cited, and in this case it's logical to do so- if for no other reason than WP:BURDEN. tedder (talk) 17:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

March 2011 assessment

Per a request, I am assessing this article or the Schools Project. I am keeping the article at "Start", but am bumping this up to "Mid" importance. I am bumping to Mid-importance based on the list of alumni which includes a former US President, and a member of the inagural class of the Baseball Hall of Fame.

The article still relies on far to many sources which are not independent of the school. There is no information to speak of on the school's academics.

As far as this illusionist, while Tedder is correct about notability not being inherited, I think that there is a certain amount of leeway given to some performance artists whose individual notability is strictly connected to a performance group. I have restored it, at least for the moment and I am waiting for some other editors to take a look. There is no guarantee that it will be staying. I will reiterate that just because a school adds an alum to their wall of fame, that is never a reason they should be included here. The notability definition is based on Wikipedia's definition, not that of the individual school. LonelyBeacon (talk) 04:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Added an Academics section. It needs to incorporate significant additional information from the School Accountability Report Cards. There is a wealth of data and information about the school available. The History section needs to add some more recent information. I assume there's additional athletic information available through the state athletic association. Thanks to LonelyBeacon for upgrading this to Mid because of a former US President; good catch.SBaker43 (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

April 2012 – gay student incident

I have just reverted as "unsourced" the edit made by an i.p. user (talk) to undo the previous revision by Tedder (talk). Here's some background:

• When I saw the original addition, on 5 April, of a news item involving a run-in between a gay student and an Assistant Principal, my initial reaction was to delete the revision as "unsourced".
• I thought better of it and instead googled "Joe Abell". As a result I found an article at Voice of OC. The article was entitled Administrator Apologizes for Pulling Gay Student From Stage, so apparently the incident was already settled.
• I added a link to the story.
• Some nine days later, the i.p. user added a statement to the effect that Abell had been fired, which Tedder reverted within a few minutes, with the comment Source?
• A few hours later, the i.p. user returned to revert Tedder's edit and add a "source" for Abell's firing.
• When I checked out the link to the alleged source, I found that it was bogus!
• The "source" link points to an article at the Friends for Fullerton's Future site to which are appended a number of comments by readers on the incident. One of the comments, toward the bottom of the page, alleges, in obscene terms, that Abell was fired.
• There is no news item of any sort which reports Abell's firing. There is no article whatsoever in the Los Angeles Times mentioning any aspect of the incident. Here are some other sources of information:
  • Voice of OC article, which is the source which I provided for the original news item
  • Friends for Fullerton's Future article, alluded to by the i.p. user
  • Fullerton Observer article
  • Orange County Register article
  • Statement dated 4 Apr 2012 by Dr. George J. Giokaris, the school district superintendent
  • Letter dated 5 Apr 2012 from FUHS principal Catherine L. Gach

This whole incident is a "tempest in a teapot" which was settled within a few days by Abell's direct apology to the student and by the other school officials' statements. Let's not perpetuate the confusion and controversy which some people seem to be trying to stir up! DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 05:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

More on this incident. I've just edited the article to show that the description of what happened is based on a quote in the Voice of OC article. I've removed the "made national news" statement, which was questionable at best. On the internet, at least, it was only mentioned in a few Orange county sites, plus some "gay community" sites. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Another update. Tonight there was a report, first on KCAL 9 news, then in the OC Register on Abell's reassignment. I've updated the article to reflect this news. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 05:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

A year (or more) later. Does anybody really care now, in June 2013, about this non-incident which I described as a "tempest in a teapot" in April 2012? My first thought is to just delete the paragraph, but I'll defer to other wikipedians. What do you think, Tedder (talk), since you seem to have an interest in our local high schools? By the way, the last time I looked, Joe Abell was working as an English teacher at the nearby La Habra High School. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 15:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

This new "tag users" feature is handy, that's how I saw this- thanks Dutchman. Here's my thought- it's overcoverage, worth perhaps a sentence or two at most. Second, the teacher/administrator probably shouldn't be named per BLP1E. On the other hand, I think the sentence or two about the event should stay. Otherwise, I think your analysis is decent- there are only a few sources, it's not worthy of a large paragraph. tedder (talk) 22:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I did it. What do you think, Tedder (talk), or anybody else? DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Great job summarizing it! tedder (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Adding the official Pleiades Tribe Tribune website.

This is the actual student based school newspaper website. It is accessible from the official F.U.H.S. website. Please stop the undo of this addition unless you know what you are doing please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastrait (talk • contribs) 10:05, 17 May 2018 (UTC)