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Days celebrated

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The days that friendsgiving is observed have been standardized for quite a long time but it's not covered on this page. I could provide sources if necessary but in general it has come down to two specific days - the day before Thanksgiving, Wednesday, being slightly more popular than the day after Thanksgiving, Friday.

Some people use the Wednesday friendsgiving as a dry run to test their new Thanksgiving recipes Ciper (talk) 07:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ciper, we would definitely need a source for that. Valereee (talk) 12:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

removal of content

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Hey, Megasteel33, we can discuss what to call Harris, but that's no reason to remove sourced content. Let's discuss? Valereee (talk) 13:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee Pretty clear their biased take on Friendsgiving has no place here Megasteel33 (talk) 15:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee also by sourced you mean the source quoting an opinion as fact? Megasteel33 (talk) 15:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not being quoted as fact per the term "argues". But yes, it is a personal take on Friendsgiving without context which reads like a stand-alone conspiracy theory, which leaves me "scratching my head" about how it relates to the topic and who is behind the conspiracy. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought a mention was fine, didn't think trying to analyze that mention was worth doing as undue, people can go to the source. Valereee (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee people don't read dude, and their opinion I cannot find replicated anywhere on the internet. I just celebrated a Friendsgiving with a bunch of fellow leftists, we're had it cause we don't like our families not because of capitalism Megasteel33 (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a dude. Valereee (talk) 12:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee dude is gender neutral, everyone is a dude. Megasteel33 (talk) 13:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Women get assumed to be male here often, especially women admins, and I get called dude, -- which I disagree is gender neutral -- man, and "he" all the time. Calling women "dude" here on Wikipedia is not ideal. Valereee (talk) 14:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee well that's you assuming I assumed your gender, which I did not. and because I believe in praxis over theory, I will continue to use dude for people irregardless of their gender identity. Megasteel33 (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Megasteel33, even though 'Dude' has somehow become all-gender it's still probably not nice to use it on Wikipedia unless you have conversed with the person enough to become a WikiAcquaintance. Not against the rules and regs on civility as far as I know, yet it does feel as if it crosses an imaginary line when addressing the everyman (see what I did there) Wikipedian. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn I call everyone dude irregardless of my relationship with them. if you interpret that as disrespectful that's not my problem as I don't care. Megasteel33 (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Megasteel33: I told you this to clue you in so you wouldn't end up in trouble when you decided to "dude" a trans woman here. I was trying to fairly gently provide a clue to a new user. If misgendering people is a hill you want to die on, that's up to you, but it won't go over well in some discussions here. Valereee (talk) 17:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee dude isn't misgendering, sorry that wasn't clear enough. notice how I haven't used any gendered pronouns? Megasteel33 (talk) 17:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay Megasteel33, just trying to be helpful too. You're testing the limits of where 'dude' stands on the civility scale, an interesting conversation. Generational? I don't know, possibly. Hopefully this discussion can move back to the topic. I haven't looked at the recent edits of the page but intend to at some point, what do you think of them? Randy Kryn (talk) 00:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just read the recent edits. Valereee, Megasteel33, my take is it needs more positive to balance out the amount of negative criticism, seems undue. There is nothing wrong with holding a Friendsgiving, a new tradition which has a good chance of sticking around and growing as a pre-Thanksgiving societal event. Needs a couple more positive takes in that section. I personally don't like any hint of the idea of this new holiday tradition replacing family gatherings on Thanksgiving itself - that's taken. I don't know why some people find fault in something so normal as having a meal with friends. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I think there are definitely additional positive takes we could add! There are in particular any number of LGBTQ+ people out there who have said things like 'Friendsgiving saved my life', to the point that I would imagine we could find some sociologist discussing the importance of Friendsgiving in the LGBTQ+ community. Valereee (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ETA: but there definitely also are people using it to replace family gatherings altogether on the day itself, for various reasons. Not being able to get off work to travel, difficult emotional relationships with family, the hassle and expense of flying then, for instance. Valereee (talk) 12:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn I'm a zoomer who believes in praxis over theory. I'm not testing anything, I'm speaking how I do in real life. y'all getting pressed for nothing 😭 Megasteel33 (talk) 02:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does 'pressed' mean (I need to be educated in zoomer). Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From context I'm thinking "y'all getting bent out of shape over nothing" would be the AmEng Boomerese translation, maybe? Valereee (talk) 12:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe depressed (as Megasteel33 presents the crying emoji). The dude thing interests me, as I've usually thought of it as a nickname for a male, so I've watched-listed Megasteel33's talk page to be alerted to future pushback where, Goddess help me, I may (or may not) jump in on his side because of the possible zoomer change to the word's meaning which seems still overwhelmingly male (but what do I know). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Our article dude would appear to need updating with RS, if that's the case. :) Valereee (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not by me, Valereee. Megasteel33, would you like to take that on or let it ride? Randy Kryn (talk) 15:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee also if you could address the other points of my argument that would be great 🤗 Megasteel33 (talk) 13:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. The fact Harris has a point of view doesn't mean it doesn't belong in a WP article. That opinion was mentioned by multiple sources, so it's not like it's something no one else is paying attention to. Totally open to discussions of how we should mention it, but when multiple other sources are discussing it in a serious way, we should too. And we didn't quote opinion as fact, we quoted opinion as opinion, with quotes and attributing it. Valereee (talk) 16:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Valereee, I've read the quote maybe a dozen times and still don't know what it means. Who are the conspirators, and did they create Friendsgiving? Does Friendsgiving have an origin story related to the conspiracy? I know people who were doing this yearly since the 1980s. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it looks like this quote/analysis of his has been mentioned in multiple sources. We could add:
Harris argues that the use of a "cutesy" portmanteau for a "scraped-together, potluck-style event popular with Millennials that will never actually rival the lavish spreads of real Thanksgiving implies approval by the powers that be of Millennial adults’ lower income and lower living standards compared with those of prior generations" and that its development is "an expected manifestation" of that lowered living standard. [1][2][3] Valereee (talk) 12:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your first quote explains Harris' view (the "an expected..." quote seems repetitive). Might be a bit better language to understand what he's saying but seems WP:UNDUE as a minority vision of the average Friendsgiving dinner. Major holiday potlucks, in most people's experience, include really good food prepared by caring cooks, and the Friendsgiving events I've been involved in (without using the name) were literally feasts. Scraped-together? This guy needs some new friends. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a bit of OR just for our own edification: Are you a millennial? I'm a boomer, and I just held a Friendsgiving for eleven Saturday, and yes, it was a feast, and served with china, crystal, silver, tablecloth, everything homemade. Harris writes about millennials. My kids are millennials, and both say this their Friendsgivings include things like people bringing Dunkin Donuts.
Totally willing to trim this. I just think the analysis isn't undue...possibly we can find another person talking about this idea independently of harris, but multiple sources are talking about his analysis. Valereee (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The people who brought the Dunkin' Donuts are lucky to attend and probably also enjoyed a feast. Ok! Boomer! (the positive way of styling the expression, tee-shirt worthy). The early examples I was thinking of were co-ops I was involved with in the 1990s who then and still have a Friendsgiving-like dinner the Sunday before Thanksgiving for all present and past members. Feasts, every one. I don't remember any Dunkin' Donuts, although some people only brought mushrooms. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee Multiple sources are dunking on his analysis. I'm a zoomer who just had a Friendsgiving, everything was homemade from scratch except the Velveeta Mac and cheese. and even if it was Dunkin donuts, how on earth does that relate to Harris' point? Megasteel33 (talk) 15:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee link the sources then, I only saw it in the Atlantic and getting mocked on another online encyclopedia: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/friendsgiving it's a minority opinion at best and doesn't present a neutral viewpoint Megasteel33 (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources are linked. They're listed below. Valereee (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee They're not linked they're footnoted Megasteel33 (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I thought you were just saying you couldn't find the sources to go check them yourself, so I was pointing you at where they were located on the page. What is it you're asking me for? Valereee (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've tried a revision, see what you all think! Valereee (talk) 16:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee thank you for the additional viewpoints Megasteel33 (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/friendsgiving
  2. ^ https://www.vox.com/2018/11/16/18097351/friendsgiving-2018-history
  3. ^ https://milled.com/isharshakov/how-friendsgiving-became-americas-favorite-made-up-holiday-w-Mb0FxxsDtxrGRH
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