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Severe Partisanship
[edit]This article is a steaming pile of garbage. It is full of broad-brush accusations such as the claim that anyone was trying to overthrow the government (one or two people, who were not even in the spotlight, do not qualify as the entire protest!), one-sided propagandized stories used as a basis for claims, easily falsified facts that accuse the protest of being foreign influenced (a HACK was cited as a basis for facts! GiveSendGo testified in a government committee hearing that 80 to 90% of donations were all small donations originating from Canada), exaggerations and pretty much the entire thing needs to be stricken. The only thing not obviously partisan is the intro. Wikipedia has been weaponized by partisan hacks for over a decade. Nobody respects the information on this site anymore. This entire article needs to be labelled as being a partisan account of events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:59C8:5A5:A310:A516:6986:741B:B81C (talk) 12:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- You need to be specific about information you consider false. The article says that a hack showed that most GiveSendGo donors were American, while GoFundMe said most of their donors were Canadian. These claims are included because they received considerable attention.
- The article also says that "some protestors" called for the overthrow of the government, which is true, but does not claim the entire protest called for that. The governor general's office received thousands of phone calls and countless emails asking her to fire the PM. There is no reason not mention this. TFD (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- The Ottawa People’s Commission documented many alleged hate crimes, including an incident in which an Ottawa resident of Asian ancestry was beaten by three convoy supporters after being asked to perform a dragon dance.[161] https://pressprogress.ca/it-was-violent-peoples-commission-report-shines-light-on-violence-harassment-and-hate-crimes-during-freedom-convoy/
- this is a extremely Parisian source that is unreliable. the fact it uses “alleged” is against wp/hearsay
- the person dancing on the tomb of the unknown soldier was not associated with the protest. This was released in a later article https://www.blacklocks.ca/convoy-allegation-disproven/
- of you compare this article with the gorge Floyd article you can see a clear difference in the way they are projected especially given the fact that one of them was the most destructive riot in U.S. history causing multiple deaths and the other has been described as “remarkably peaceful and lawful” by the Ottawa police chief https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6334125
2001:1970:4AE5:A300:93D:F2E2:6C42:F06 (talk) 00:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well lets see, ar the the same thing...no. So any comparison fails. And read wp:soap. Slatersteven (talk) 11:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- The first article in question breaks Wikipedia:Verifiabilityas the information given is a unfounded allegation and the source breaks Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
- the second it a update to the original article which fell victim to Wikipedia:Recentism
- and the third shows the majority of these media claims where bogus. This isn’t a debate, these issues went to court and the majority of these claims where proven to be untrue or blown out of proportion 2001:1970:4AE5:A300:4109:A3A5:2739:8DE5 (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well lets see, ar the the same thing...no. So any comparison fails. And read wp:soap. Slatersteven (talk) 11:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Largest protest in Canadian history
[edit]This currently holds the title as the largest protest in Canadian history taking the title from the 2021 fairy creek blockades Fairy Creek old-growth logging protests and should be attributed the title
the fairy creek blockade had a estimated 1000 people in attendance where the lower estimates for the freedom convoy is 10x that amount in just the Ottawa location alone and doesn’t count the demonstrations that occurred across the country in other cities 2605:8D80:665:B8CA:C445:D2CF:B68E:8DC5 (talk) 10:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- You would need a source that made that observation, but it seems dubious. The 1935 May Day demonstrations in Stanley Park for example drew 20,000 people. TFD (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Edit requested for semi-protected page
[edit]This page seems to have gone through an intense transformation as of December 30th, seemingly motivated by politics.
Most shockingly, it was edited to suggest that the convoy was successful in pressuring government to remove vaccine mandates. This is, at best, assuming causation when only correlation can be proven, and at worst, downright lies and misinformation. The sources provided in many cases do not mention the convoy, instead citing evidence that the vaccine mandates have reached the end of the effectiveness as stated by doctors and experts. In some cases, they do mention the convoy, only to explicitly state that the lifting of mandates is not in response to, or a result of, the convoy, ie https://globalnews.ca/news/8621158/quebec-covid-vaccine-passport-restrictions-eased/.
This major set of misinformation demonstrates cause for concern, and cursory glances at other edits suggest that many parts of the page were changed to downplay the negative impacts of the convoy, mislead readers into making negative inferences about the standing government, and remove referenced connections to alt-right groups. By example, a reference to the court decision that the use of the emergencies act was unconstitutional was added, with no additional links or information provided for the necessary context that this is because it was believed that the protest was already considered illegal, and it was already in the power of law enforcement to begin disassembling the gathering without the need for additional legal powers. This information is important: as is, the text is left to insinuate that the government acted illegally to oppress a peaceful protest.
An impartial look needs to be given to this page, and its semi-locked status likely needs to be elevated. GlideStrife (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2025
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The section for the results of the protest should be left blank or say unknown.. Since there is no proof changes were made due to the protests.
Mandate changes were inevitable, already being discussed, and occurred more than half a year later. Attributing it to the protest is not based on facts. 2607:FEA8:BE1E:5000:71B3:4D64:50C2:F0A1 (talk) 15:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- What do RS say? Slatersteven (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Convoy protests vs lifting of mandates - unsupported POV
[edit]A few sections above, user GlideStrife made an untemplated edit request regarding recent POV edits, and the edit request directly above is also a request for the same thing. Over about 29 - 31 December, editor PavelShk updated the article to include the lifting of mandates during and after the protest, and did so in a way that suggests that the mandates were lifted because of the protests, and in fact they said so explicitly in a couple of edits. These edits should be rolled back, they are unacceptable WP:SYNTH suggesting a conclusion that is not stated by any reliable source. The sources that PavelShk themselves provided do not suggest at all that mandates were lifted because of the protests, they were lifted because medical professionals felt that the time was right to lift them. None of PavelShk's sources mention the convoy at all. I'll undo these later if nobody beats me to it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- PavelShk's sources don't support his conclusion because they were copied and pasted from other Wikipedia articles, or at least some of them were; the part about Quebec looked eerily familiar to me and I soon realized, it's because I'm the one who wrote it!
- What was added:
On February 15, despite previously stating that the vaccine passport would be expanded to include third doses, Quebec announced a gradual suspension of the vaccine passport starting on February 16 with the removal of the vaccine passport in big-box stores, SAQ stores, and SQDC stores. On February 21, it will no longer be required for funeral homes and places of worship, and on March 14, it will be lifted in its entirety.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Laframboise |first1=Kalina |title=Quebec to end COVID-19 vaccine passport system on March 14 |url=https://globalnews.ca/news/8621158/quebec-covid-vaccine-passport-restrictions-eased/ |work=Global News |date=2022-02-15}}</ref> The date for the full discontinuation of the vaccine passport was later moved up by two days, to March 12.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Prévost |first1=Hugo |title=Québec devance la fin du passeport vaccinal et donne des échéances pour le masque |url=https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1866088/covid-quebec-allegements-annonce |work=Radio-Canada |date=2022-03-02 |language=fr}}</ref>
- Version on the COVID-19 vaccination in Quebec page:
Nsophiay (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Despite previously stating that the vaccine passport would be expanded to include third doses in the near future, on February 15, Quebec announced a gradual suspension of the vaccine passport starting on February 16 with the removal of the vaccine passport in big-box stores, SAQ stores, and SQDC stores. On February 21, it will no longer be required for funeral homes and places of worship, and on March 14, it will be lifted in its entirety.<ref name="Global News">{{cite news |last1=Laframboise |first1=Kalina |title=Quebec to end COVID-19 vaccine passport system on March 14 |url=https://globalnews.ca/news/8621158/quebec-covid-vaccine-passport-restrictions-eased/ |work=Global News |date=2022-02-15}}</ref> The date for the full discontinuation of the vaccine passport was later moved up by two days, to March 12.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Prévost |first1=Hugo |title=Québec devance la fin du passeport vaccinal et donne des échéances pour le masque |url=https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1866088/covid-quebec-allegements-annonce |work=Radio-Canada |date=2022-03-02 |language=fr}}</ref>
- Ah so it's also an internal copyright violation. Lovely.
- I've restored the article to the revision prior to PavelShk's edits, and selectively restored the subsequent edits. I also cleaned the tiny inconsistent flags and logos from the infobox, as recommended by the manual of style. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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