Talk:Free the nipple

Verify "Free the Nipple" phrase used as a campaign?

First, you have a great writing style! That really stands out to me.

A few comments: the history section has list of general campaigns for toplessness, but the article title seems to refer to a specific campaign called "Free the Nipple". So in reading the history section, I was expecting to see a section or mention of when "Free the Nipple" actually came into use. In other words, the article is titled "Free the Nipple", but I don't have a sense of when that phrase actually came into popularity.

I also have some concerns around whether you're presenting original research. This is a tricky thing to sort out sometimes, so let me know if you want help. You've done a great job of finding a lot of sources out there, but note the guideline that "Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves." I'm not at all certain you've run afoul of this! I haven't read your article closely enough to tell, so you might be totally fine, I just think it would be useful to go back over it with that guideline, plus guidelines around synthesis, in mind.

One more little tweak: I don't think you need brackets around your source titles in the references, and where you've got a website like HG.org, it helps to spell out in detail what that group is. (I'm not sure what that group actually is? Maybe you can find a better source for this.)

You've got a great start here, again with nice formatting and a good writing style -- congratulations! AmandaRR123 (talk) 22:08, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

to my memory, I first heard this expression in the late 80s or early 90s. This organized campaign dates to 2012 (and there may have been others before it) but the phrase with this meaning has been around for decades. The article implies the expression was coined in 2012. OriEri (talk) 04:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing Issues

I think the sources are ok per wikipedia standards, but they're not good.

The problem is that the source is of dubious quality, and does not cite where they get their information. I'm going to spend a few minutes trying to dig up better sources, and encourage others to join me. In particular, arguments about historic views towards male toplessness are powerful but leave a skeptic questioning the sweeping statements made in the HuffPo article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.queso (talk • contribs) 04:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I've logged on to the PACER federal courts website to check on the status of the Free The Nipple vs. Fort Collins case. Fort Collins has notified the court and the Plaintiffs that they are appealing the case and that the case number USCA Case Number 17-1103 as been assigned, but I haven't been able to find the actual appeal case. The documents are available to the public for a $0.10 per page fee (charges of less than $15/quarter are waved), but I don't know how to cite these documents. Anyone have tips? (Mallonna (talk) 21:51, 26 March 2018 (UTC))

http://www.nerve.com/love-sex/a-visual-history-of-bare-skin-laws-through-the-ages <<similar unsourced claims/quality as existing articles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617930/Was-exercise-fad-Men-wear-suits-ties-work-machines-1800s.html <<interesting pictures that might be relevant-- men working out in Victo5rian England in full suits. By the way, this may be common knowledge, but in Victorian England, I've heard/read that nudity was discouraged even when bathing solo. A source and a mention of this fact could be relevant to the article

https://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I92_0160.htm <<the actual court ruling from 192 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.queso (talk • contribs) 05:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

http://www.ekduncan.com/2012/03/naughty-side-of-18th-century-french.html <<Women exposing breasts was fashionable in some circles in Napoleonice France.

By the way-- I see how you could regard all of this as irrelevant to the "Free the Nipple" article, which should focus on the movie/social movement. But in that case, we should also consider stripping the parts about the 1930s and 1980s rulings and focus on the ideals of the movement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.queso (talk • contribs) 05:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

A Mistake I Don't Even Remember

I was reviewing my past contributions and stumbled upon these changes I made to this article months ago.

For some reason I honestly ignore, while fixing a link to Björt Ólafsdóttir, I removed two of the links in the references section. I've restored these links to the way they were previously and confirmed they are working properly.

I'm sorry for unintentionally and unexplainedly (Seriously, I'm not schizophrenic, I just don't know what happened.) messing up the article. Denis Mattos ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 09:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

If FTN is a topfreedom "campaign" ...

what are its activist organizations? Who are its leaders? What battles (legal? political? media? social media?) are being waged? Where are its "battles" being waged? What battles have been won or lost? I mean, given the liberal sexual and social mores of California and the fact that there are almost 2x as many Dems as Repubs and they have supermajority control of the state legislature (along with the governorship) (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Politics_of_California#Political_issues and https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_California), this "campaign" must be very weak if they haven't gotten Sacramento to pass "state preemption" (i.e., taking away from municipal governments (e.g., counties and cities) the power to regulate male or female toplessness), for statewide topfreedom in California. Is there any group online (forums? FB?) organizing students, social justice warriors (SJWs) and feminists at California's community, CSU and UC public as well as private colleges? Do students at UC Berkeley even demonstrate or protest for this??? Are student government activists even trying to make their own campuses topfree? Phantom in ca (talk) 17:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Images

The articles has three images

1) a woman with covered nipples. The image is taken at a naked bike tour. That is also a campaign, but not representing freetnenipple. 2) an artsy picture taken indoors. That does not have anything to do with a campaign, that is about public showing of nipples. 3) finally a picture with the campaign slogan and actual campaigners.

Surely there can be better images for this article? 2A03:2260:2009:4000:0:0:0:0 (talk) 09:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I would think some kind of rally/demonstration photo is in order; there probably are some already at Commons.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Supportive men... Bernie?

There are several places in the article where supportive celebs are mentioned. BUT they are only women. Are there any men who are supportive? Can they be listed too? e.g. Is Bernie Sanders supportive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.30.115 (talk) 01:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

The photo of the girl from 2015

The girl in that photo is 15 in that photos and should be removed as it is classified as child pornography 82.132.236.230 (talk) 01:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Has there been any discussion within the movement as to whether nipples are "free" when they are covered with "pasties" or tape?

Can someone add information on this without doing any "original research" or sharing personal opinions? I have heard discussions on this topic but can't share that information because it would be "original research." 2603:800C:3944:BC00:964:AFC5:7AF3:8D59 (talk) 21:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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