Talk:Foundation universe

	Novels portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Novels, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to the general Project discussion to talk over new ideas and suggestions.NovelsWikipedia:WikiProject NovelsTemplate:WikiProject Novelsnovel
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by Science fiction task force.

Science Fiction

	Speculative fiction portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Science Fiction, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of science fiction on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Science FictionWikipedia:WikiProject Science FictionTemplate:WikiProject Science Fictionscience fiction
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

An earlier reference to "psychohistory"

I am just in the middle of rereading "Robots and Empire" for the second time. On page 186 of the Doubleday hardcover edition, a conversation is occurring between robots Daneel and Giskard, just after Gladia's speech to the people of Baleyworld. In this conversation, Giskard discusses his observations while mentally adjusting some of the people, then says that this observation "might itself be the First Law of Psychohistory". Since Giskard dies at the end of this book (year 4970 of the Galactic Era (GE)), it must be Daneel who (somehow) gets psychohistory into the mind of Hari Seldon (born: 11,988 GE). Not sure whether to add this note here, or the "Robots and Empire" article, or both. Neilrieck (talk) 11:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

failed tests via current A.I. apps

So this final week of 2024, I dropped the following question into both ChatGPT4 and MS-copilot: "when is the first time we see the phrase "psychohistory" in Asimov's robot novels?". Both prototype A.I.s returned an answer saying that "psychohistory" is never mentioned in Asimov's robot novels, when clearly it is mentioned numerous times in "Robots and Empire" and is associated with Giskard. I kind of get the feeling that anyone who read the Foundation Trilogy, but did not read "Robots and Empire" (which was published in 1985) may not know that Asimov might have changed things. Neilrieck (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]